Return-Path: Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4569544 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 21 Dec 2011 05:02:38 +0100 Received: by eabm6 with SMTP id m6so5059872eab.28 for ; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.9.216 with SMTP id m24mr1708692bkm.84.1324440529758; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.62.202 with HTTP; Tue, 20 Dec 2011 20:08:49 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [203.173.41.81] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 21 Dec 2011 15:08:49 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe's new upgrade policy and Creative Cloud licensing model From: Tony Hayes To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d021a4d681304b4925765 --0015175d021a4d681304b4925765 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While the proposed annual subscription may work for some, you have to wonder how good it really is when the only way they can make it appear attractive is to make all the other licenses look like crap. Tony On 21 December 2011 14:12, Greg Balint wrote: > Honestly. "Cloud" licensing seems like it's the way to go for me. I can > hardly ever make a point to spend the full amount for master collection. > Even though I know most of the programs I don't do enough work in some of > them to justify buying them. As a full-time freelancer, some of my > projects could easily pay for it, but I'd rather pay a low $49 a month, > knowing if business gets really slow, I didn't blow a huge chunk of money > on something that isn't feeding my family. And if I'm about to be living = in > the gutter, At least I will feel I haven't overspent in my software for t= he > year. > > I can see this model becoming popular with amateurs and hobbyists who > "obtain" the software as well, because they "aren't using it to make > money". $50 per month doesn't seem nearly as costly as perpetual license > fees (up to $2,600) to someone who wants to dabble or learn more. > > Even so. After 1 year I'll have only paid around $600. versus $2,600 for > master collection full price. In 4 years I still wouldn't have paid that > price, plus I'll have upgraded to the next version by then in the "cloud" > model. That doesn't seem to bad, to always be up to date on all adobe > software. > > I'm not too concerned about the "cloud" model, as they aren't really usin= g > that term correctly. The programs wont run remotely, or in a browser. Thi= s > is basically just a subscription with other web-based services in it. > Adobe's subscriptions don't require an always on connection. Just an upda= te > per month to make sure you've paid your monthly fee. > > Unless I'm completely wrong about how this whole thing will work. > > ////Greg Balint > ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer > delRAZOR.com/ > > On Dec 20, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Jim Lang wrote: > > > Christ. I had a feeling we were heading in this direction. > > CS3 will probably be my last update. I'll quit altogether before > > participating in this bullshit.; > > > > On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Rendernyc wrote: > >> I have a cs4 prod premium license an AE cs5. > >> Was planning o upgrading the suite to cs6 this time around. I dont wor= k > from > >> home very much anymore so there wasn't any major need. There's no chan= ce > >> I'll be upgrading twice so not sure what I'm gonna do > >> > >> On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Harriet Thompson > >> wrote: > >> > >> > >> What are people choosing to do about the new Adobe Creative Cloud > licensing > >> model versus the old system of perpetual licenses? I own a bunch of > >> individual CS3 products, and I was planning to upgrade to CS6 Producti= on > >> Premium when it comes out. However, I have read an announcement that i= n > >> order to qualify for CS6 upgrade pricing, users must be on CS5 or 5.5, > and > >> that there is a 20% off offer through to December 31. So, I was about = to > >> upgrade to CS5.5 Production Premium, when I also read that there will > be a > >> new membership-based licensing model called the Adobe Creative Cloud, > >> costing $49.99 per month for individuals, but you can stick with the o= ld > >> system of perpetual licenses if you prefer. If I don=92t buy the CS5.5 > >> upgrade, can I join the Creative Cloud when it launches? What are othe= r > >> users planning to do =96 Creative Cloud or perpetual license? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Harriet > >> harriet@synthetic.co.nz > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > --0015175d021a4d681304b4925765 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable While the proposed annual subscription may work for some, you have to wonde= r how good it really is when the only way they can make it appear attractiv= e is to make all the other licenses look like crap.

Tony



On 21 December 2011 14:12, Greg Balint <= span dir=3D"ltr"><greg@delrazor.com= > wrote:
Honestly. "Cloud" licensing seems like it's the way to go for= me. =A0I can hardly ever make a point to spend the full amount for master = collection. Even though I know most of the programs I don't do enough w= ork in some of them to justify buying them. =A0As a full-time freelancer, s= ome of my projects could easily pay for it, but I'd rather pay a low $4= 9 a month, knowing if business gets really slow, I didn't blow a huge c= hunk of money on something that isn't feeding my family. And if I'm= about to be living in the gutter, At least I will feel I haven't overs= pent in my software for the year.

I can see this model becoming popular with amateurs and hobbyists who "= ;obtain" the software as well, because they "aren't using it = to make money". $50 per month doesn't seem nearly as costly as per= petual license fees (up to $2,600) to someone who wants to dabble or learn = more.

Even so. After 1 year I'll have only paid around $600. versus $2,600 fo= r master collection full price. In 4 years I still wouldn't have paid t= hat price, plus I'll have upgraded to the next version by then in the &= quot;cloud" model. =A0That doesn't seem to bad, to always be up to= date on all adobe software.

I'm not too concerned about the "cloud" model, as they aren&#= 39;t really using that term correctly. The programs wont run remotely, or i= n a browser. This is basically just a subscription with other web-based ser= vices in it. Adobe's subscriptions don't require an always on conne= ction. Just an update per month to make sure you've paid your monthly f= ee.

Unless I'm completely wrong about how this whole thing will work.

////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
delRAZOR.com/

On Dec 20, 2011, at 9:24 PM, Jim Lang <james.c.lang@gmail.com> wrote:

> Christ. =A0I had a feeling we were heading in this direction.
> CS3 will probably be my last update. =A0I'll quit altogether befor= e
> participating in this bullshit.;
>
> On Thu, Dec 8, 2011 at 6:53 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I have a cs4 prod premium license an AE cs5.
>> Was planning o upgrading the suite to cs6 this time around. I dont= work from
>> home very much anymore so there wasn't any major need. There&#= 39;s no chance
>> I'll be upgrading twice so not sure what I'm gonna do
>>
>> On Dec 8, 2011, at 4:25 PM, Harriet Thompson <harriet@synthetic.co.nz>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>> What are people choosing to do about the new Adobe Creative Cloud = licensing
>> model versus the old system of perpetual licenses? I own a bunch o= f
>> individual CS3 products, and I was planning to upgrade to CS6 Prod= uction
>> Premium when it comes out. However, I have read an announcement th= at in
>> order to qualify for CS6 upgrade pricing, users must be on CS5 or = 5.5, and
>> that there is a 20% off offer through to December 31. So, I was ab= out to
>> upgrade to CS5.5 Production Premium, when I also read that there w= ill be a
>> new membership-based licensing model called the Adobe Creative Clo= ud,
>> costing $49.99 per month for individuals, but you can stick with t= he old
>> system of perpetual licenses if you prefer. If I don=92t buy the C= S5.5
>> upgrade, can I join the Creative Cloud when it launches? What are = other
>> users planning to do =96 Creative Cloud or perpetual license?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Harriet
>> harriet@synthetic.co.nz=
>
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