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| Dann's point is very on target. I'm still amazed that people in the tech industry who know better miss out on basic physics and engineering principles - as well as tech industry. The "cloud" is not new, it's old. Centralizing computing and dumb terminals is always proclaimed as the "future" and the "desktop is always dead". Yet it never happens (and never will barring some breakthrough in the laws of time and space.) Whatever the cost in time and energy in doing a calculation, the greater distance involved in input to output, the greater the cost in time and energy. And the smaller you want to make the computer of equivalent computational speed, the greater the cost. I'm using the cloud - but it's cheaper and faster to calculate or store data locally. Look at desktops - they are faster and cheaper than ever before. Look at laptops - the same. Smartphones and tablets are supposed to replace desktops and laptops. But actually they are desktops/laptops getting faster CPUs, dedicated graphic cards and larger storage because it's faster and cheaper for them to do work locally then "in the cloud". And smartphones are getting bigger, not smaller. In fact, it can be argued the cost in energy and time to build a central computer that could serve all of us faster than desktops is infinite and therefore impossible - physics says so and engineering validates it every day. What the clouds and mobility give us is more choices and options - new ways of doing things. But I've yet to see a shred of actual reasoning that moving work the cloud will save any one time or money vs. doing it locally. And if you want to get technical about it - there is no "computing cloud" - it's a just a big pile of CPUs, RAM and drives plugged in somewhere. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ http://www.stephenv2.me/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick -----Original Message----- From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Dann Stubbs Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 4:05 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe's new upgrade policy and Creative Cloud licensing model for those who remember the computer world before the desktop revolution - welcome to the past. ___________________________________________________________________ Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm ___________________________________________________________________ On Dec 21, 2011, at 4:00 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: > Good points. I have a client with a heinous firewall. I guess I'd need my own satellite transponder. > > I've been working with enough hi-tech companies to know that the cloud is inevitable, and at some point, people who insist on hard drives are going to be on a dystopian par with Mad Max and lawless adventurers. At some point, local installs of software won't be an option. Your computer won't even compute... it will simply be an appliance to access one on the internet. You'll be able to rent all the CPU cycles, RAM and storage you'll ever need a la carte. This is probably Adobe dipping their toes in. And I'm glad they're not deep-sixing the old way just yet. I'm happy to watch from the sidelines for a while, and let the edge bleeders have at it. > > > On Dec 21, 2011, at 2:43 PM, Chris Bator wrote: > >> I see this as a price increase for me for sure, but I have 2 real problems with the subscriptions as a freelancer.. >> >> 1. Maybe I'm just paranoid but I am quite nearly sure that I will be somewhere without internet access and on a deadline and my software will want to check-in online and will stop me from working until I do. I will need some sort of guarantee that this will not happen. ever. >> >> 2. I need to keep multiple versions around for clients that are stuck on older versions. I have not seen how will that work. >> >> >> >> -chris >> >> >> >> >> -- >> chris bator >> cbator@mac.com >> http://www.ui.somebug.com >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisbator >> interactive and motion design >> >> On Dec 21, 2011, at 12:28 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote: >> >>> maybe my math is off but $400 every 18 months seem less than $50 every month, and are they going to bill you or automatically charge you credit card - so some finance charges may apply (if you don't pay it off each month) - I for one don't need another month bill/subscription. I hate the every version requirement - I was kind of a every other rev - mostly because I work with people who stay on old versions because they are comfortable - I had a artist friend that stayed on 6.5 well into 8. >>> >>> timt >>> >>> From: "Gary Berendsen" <gary@garyberendsen.com> >>> To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv> >>> Sent: Wednesday, December 21, 2011 11:07:09 AM >>> Subject: Re: [AE] Adobe's new upgrade policy and Creative Cloud >>> licensing model >>> >>> I like the 50 per month as well, especially if that becomes a global price. >>> 32 euro at the moment's fine. Easy to write off as cost and no depreciation on the software. >>> I like. >>> So long not there is not a permanent internet connection necessary as I do work on stuff at places without connections sometimes. >>> >>> Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist >>> http://garyberendsen.com >> > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> > +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to <ae-list-off@media-motion.tv> |
