Return-Path: Received: from mail-ey0-f169.google.com ([209.85.215.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4580983 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 22:24:34 +0100 Received: by eabm6 with SMTP id m6so670420eab.28 for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:31:17 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=W9LgGxUQh27SzK1LC94tM/C58oF7b/vRKaFn7SgQnEA=; b=DuiQNo2Iatys6kwbypPhjEU/w7MwZfeeoys1kxlFO+vMWneqOTAMRlON4DmZFFGrZO 6htL6d5EPXWMdVTiz7FxA3MSvSYgzDpeyDn55Q/A71Lg28qvlaWV0ipm7MidcSPHcDAB aq653l98YN8ZpuPCrjFDB8yh2ej2kq+py7Txg= Received: by 10.205.122.133 with SMTP id gg5mr1572821bkc.65.1325799076913; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 13:31:16 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.74 with HTTP; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 13:30:35 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 16:30:35 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000e0ce0db3c05e1f604b5cea781 --000e0ce0db3c05e1f604b5cea781 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I don't want to start a flame war here guys, but... /FLAME ON nah not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic listers and smacking my head against a brick reading these responses. For real 3D (and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, PCs are the industry standard in my experience, working freelance in new york, at large and small post houses alike. In fact the larger the company is, the more probable it is they are running pcs. I've never seen a 500-mac render farm. yet. The only reason I own a macbook pro is for FCP. and I keep windows on it. That's it. The only thing macs have going for them (or did) - industry-wide use of FCP 7.0 - I honestly can't think of any other reason. decent product design? better virus protection? PCs: - order of magnitude cheaper. I could stop here. - easier to service - easier to upgrade - easier to modify hardware - more software available - easier to modify software - cheaper to upgrade - (more) open platform for development - can overclock - problems easier to fix (many of you will disagree, but the worst crashes I've ever experienced, with 100% data loss, have been macs) Especially for 3D, where performance vs. cost and serviceability is a huge issue, there's no contest. I don't know how apple brainwashes people into buying a computer for a 200% markup over a PC with better specs. Besides, as a freelancer, I like to be able to get in there and know how my system works, take it apart blindfolded, add in a new motherboard, etc. If anything goes wrong I don't have to take a number online to a "genius". Don't even get me started... /FLAME OFF That having been said they make the best laptops in the industry, for design, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be fooled into thinking the desktops are truly competitive. It's also clear where the companies priorities lie, and it's not with us. it's with phones and ipads On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary Berendsen wrot= e: > I tried doing that once... > I gave up after talking to Adobe customer service here in the netherlands= . > And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the same as the upgrade cost. > So now I have 2 packages. > > Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist > http://garyberendsen.com > > > > On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser wrote: > > =93You can swap the platform or language of a single-user product to a > different platform or language of the same product. Swap if you've been > using the product on a particular platform or language and then change yo= ur > operating system or require a different language version.=94**** > ** ** > http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405819.html**** > ** ** > ** ** > -c**** > ** ** > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Gary Berendsen > *Sent:* Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see?**** > ** ** > > > **** > > On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote:**** > > ** ** > > > cross platform**** > > > A someone who just moved to windows. > At first just dual booting my nehalem mac and changing software over and > using all the deals. > Like the production bundle discount hich I got for windows it has not bee= n > that hard. > I thought plugins were going to be a hassle but I emailed all the > developers/companies and they all confirmed that > their plugins are crossplatform on a single license. > > I quote: > > Digieffects**** > > Our plug-ins work on both Windows and Mac and your serial should work for > both as well. Please let me know if you have any problems getting the > serials authorized.**** > > Red Giant**** > > > Our serial numbers are not Host Application or OS specific, simply make > sure you are using the correct installer for your OS and that the host ap= p > you wish to install for is properly selected during installation. > > Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further questions.**** > > > And with genarts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on the > new system/OS**** > > > I use LW for 3d and that is also cross platform.**** > So only adobe was the real problem for me. The other reason to go PC is > that I am using Fusion a lot more. > > > > > **** > > > -- **** > > gary berendsen**** > > http://garyberendsen.com**** > > > VFX generalist**** > > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --000e0ce0db3c05e1f604b5cea781 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Now I don't want to start a flame war here guys, but...

/FLAME O= N

nah not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic= listers and smacking my head against a brick reading these responses.

For real 3D (and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, PCs a= re the industry standard in my experience, working freelance in new york, a= t large and small post houses alike. In fact the larger the company is, the= more probable it is they are running pcs. I've never seen a 500-mac re= nder farm. yet. The only reason I own a macbook pro is for FCP. and I keep = windows on it. That's it.

The only thing macs have going for them (or did)

- industry-wide= use of FCP 7.0
- I honestly can't think of any other reason. decent= product design? better virus protection?

PCs:

- order of mag= nitude cheaper. I could stop here.
- easier to service
- easier to upgrade
- easier to modify hardware- more software available
- easier to modify software
- cheaper to = upgrade
- (more) open platform for development
- can overclock
- problems easier to fix (many of you will disagree, but the worst crashes = I've ever experienced, with 100% data loss, have been macs)

Espe= cially for 3D, where performance vs. cost and serviceability is a huge issu= e, there's no contest. I don't know how apple brainwashes people in= to buying a computer for a 200% markup over a PC with better specs. Besides= , as a freelancer, I like to be able to get in there and know how my system= works, take it apart blindfolded, add in a new motherboard, etc. If anythi= ng goes wrong I don't have to take a number online to a "genius&qu= ot;. Don't even get me started...

/FLAME OFF

That having been said they make the best laptops in = the industry, for design, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be fo= oled into thinking the desktops are truly competitive. It's also clear = where the companies priorities lie, and it's not with us. it's with= phones and ipads

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary Berends= en <gary@gar= yberendsen.com> wrote:
I tried doing that once...
I gave u= p after talking to Adobe customer service here in the netherlands.
And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the same as the upgrade cost.<= /div>
So now I have 2 packages.

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist



On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser wrote:

=93You can swap the platform or language of a singl= e-user product=A0to a different platform or language of the same product. S= wap if you've been using the product on a particular platform or langua= ge and then change your operating system or require a different language ve= rsion.=94
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From:=A0After Effects Mail List [ma= ilto:AE-List@m= edia-motion.tv]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Gary = Berendsen
Sent:=A0Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19 AM
To:=A0After Effects Mail List
Subject:=A0= Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see?
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On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote:
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 cross platform

A someone who ju= st moved to windows.
At first just dual booting my nehalem mac and changing software over and us= ing all the deals.
Like the production bundle discount hich I got for wi= ndows it has not been that hard.
I thought plugins were going to be a ha= ssle but I emailed all the developers/companies and they all confirmed that=
their plugins are crossplatform on a single license.=A0
I quote:

Digieffects

Our plug-ins work on both Windows and Mac and your serial should work for b= oth as well. Please let me know if you have any problems getting the serial= s authorized.

Red Giant


Our serial numbers are not Host Application or= OS specific, simply make sure you are using the correct installer for your= OS and that the host app you wish to install for is properly selected duri= ng installation.=A0

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further questions.<= u>


And with genarts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on the n= ew system/OS


I use LW for 3d and that is also cross platform.

-- 
gary berendsen

http://garyberendsen.com

VFX generalist



-- Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn

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