Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4581029 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 23:03:32 +0100 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1325801406-0439c31284503c60004-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS1.slcc.int (vcas1.slcc.int [10.1.11.52]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id GxZYzmpLMbY6RRAx for ; Thu, 05 Jan 2012 15:10:07 -0700 (MST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS1.slcc.int ([fe80::5023:faf7:26da:d5bf%11]) with mapi; Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:05:31 -0700 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:05:29 -0700 Subject: RE: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? Thread-Topic: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? 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FCP holdouts here at Ut= ah's largest community college (as one example) are fed up with it and movi= ng en masse to Premiere (CS5.5)....still using their macs, I suppose. Remains to be seen whether FCP users who do switch to Pr will hang on to th= eir macs or not. No matter to me (HP Z800 guy). I'm just anxious to see ind= ustry wide use of Quicktime .mov be replaced with .mp4 so the illusion of a= n Apple (QT) stranglehold will go away, along with having to create separat= e media types for mac vs PC software players. Soon no one will be demanding= QT formats. /FLICKEROFF jOHN From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Teddy Gage Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 2:31 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? Now I don't want to start a flame war here guys, but... /FLAME ON nah not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic listers and = smacking my head against a brick reading these responses. For real 3D (and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, PCs are t= he industry standard in my experience, working freelance in new york, at la= rge and small post houses alike. In fact the larger the company is, the mor= e probable it is they are running pcs. I've never seen a 500-mac render far= m. yet. The only reason I own a macbook pro is for FCP. and I keep windows = on it. That's it. The only thing macs have going for them (or did) - industry-wide use of FCP 7.0 - I honestly can't think of any other reason. decent product design? better= virus protection? PCs: - order of magnitude cheaper. I could stop here. - easier to service - easier to upgrade - easier to modify hardware - more software available - easier to modify software - cheaper to upgrade - (more) open platform for development - can overclock - problems easier to fix (many of you will disagree, but the worst crashes = I've ever experienced, with 100% data loss, have been macs) Especially for 3D, where performance vs. cost and serviceability is a huge = issue, there's no contest. I don't know how apple brainwashes people into b= uying a computer for a 200% markup over a PC with better specs. Besides, as= a freelancer, I like to be able to get in there and know how my system wor= ks, take it apart blindfolded, add in a new motherboard, etc. If anything g= oes wrong I don't have to take a number online to a "genius". Don't even ge= t me started... /FLAME OFF That having been said they make the best laptops in the industry, for desig= n, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be fooled into thinking the desk= tops are truly competitive. It's also clear where the companies priorities = lie, and it's not with us. it's with phones and ipads On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary Berendsen > wrote: I tried doing that once... I gave up after talking to Adobe customer service here in the netherlands. And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the same as the upgrade cost. So now I have 2 packages. Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist http://garyberendsen.com On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser wrote: "You can swap the platform or language of a single-user product to a differ= ent platform or language of the same product. Swap if you've been using the= product on a particular platform or language and then change your operatin= g system or require a different language version." http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405819.html -c From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Gary Berendsen Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote: cross platform A someone who just moved to windows. At first just dual booting my nehalem mac and changing software over and us= ing all the deals. Like the production bundle discount hich I got for windows it has not been = that hard. I thought plugins were going to be a hassle but I emailed all the developer= s/companies and they all confirmed that their plugins are crossplatform on a single license. I quote: Digieffects Our plug-ins work on both Windows and Mac and your serial should work for b= oth as well. Please let me know if you have any problems getting the serial= s authorized. Red Giant Our serial numbers are not Host Application or OS specific, simply make sur= e you are using the correct installer for your OS and that the host app you= wish to install for is properly selected during installation. Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further questions. And with genarts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on the n= ew system/OS I use LW for 3d and that is also cross platform. So only adobe was the real problem for me. The other reason to go PC is th= at I am using Fusion a lot more. -- gary berendsen http://garyberendsen.com VFX generalist -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the addr= essee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or ot= herwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of this= e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any una= uthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this message = is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please no= tify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail and any attachments= from your system.= --_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A59122C6077EXCHslccint_ Content-Type: text/html; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

/FLICKERO= FAFLAMEON

 

FCP(-X) is dying on the vine in the= video industry. FCP holdouts here at Utah’s largest community colleg= e (as one example) are fed up with it and moving en masse to Premiere (CS5.= 5)….still using their macs, I suppose.

Remains to be seen whether FCP users who do switch to P= r will hang on to their macs or not. No matter to me (HP Z800 guy). I’= ;m just anxious to see industry wide use of Quicktime .mov be replaced with= .mp4 so the illusion of an Apple (QT) stranglehold will go away, along wit= h having to create separate media types for mac vs PC software players. Soo= n no one will be demanding QT formats.

/FLICKEROFF

<= o:p> 

jOHN

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2012 2:31 PM=
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a ne= w mac pro or wait and see?

&= nbsp;

Now I do= n't want to start a flame war here guys, but...

/FLAME ON

nah= not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic listers and sma= cking my head against a brick reading these responses.

For real 3D (= and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, PCs are the industry s= tandard in my experience, working freelance in new york, at large and small= post houses alike. In fact the larger the company is, the more probable it= is they are running pcs. I've never seen a 500-mac render farm. yet. The o= nly reason I own a macbook pro is for FCP. and I keep windows on it. That's= it.

The only thing macs have going for them (or did)

- indu= stry-wide use of FCP 7.0
- I honestly can't think of any other reason. d= ecent product design? better virus protection?

PCs:

- order o= f magnitude cheaper. I could stop here.
- easier to service
- easier = to upgrade
- easier to modify hardware
- more software available
-= easier to modify software
- cheaper to upgrade
- (more) open platfor= m for development
- can overclock
- problems easier to fix (many of y= ou will disagree, but the worst crashes I've ever experienced, with 100% da= ta loss, have been macs)

Especially for 3D, where performance vs. co= st and serviceability is a huge issue, there's no contest. I don't know how= apple brainwashes people into buying a computer for a 200% markup over a P= C with better specs. Besides, as a freelancer, I like to be able to get in = there and know how my system works, take it apart blindfolded, add in a new= motherboard, etc. If anything goes wrong I don't have to take a number onl= ine to a "genius". Don't even get me started...

/FLAME OFF=

That having been said they make the best laptops in the industry, = for design, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be fooled into thinking= the desktops are truly competitive. It's also clear where the companies pr= iorities lie, and it's not with us. it's with phones and ipads

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary Berendsen = <gary@garyberendsen.com>= ; wrote:

I tried doing that once...=

I gave up after talking to Adobe c= ustomer service here in the netherlands.

And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the same as the upg= rade cost.

So now I have 2 pa= ckages.

=  

=

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist

 

 

 

On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser wrote:



“You can swap the platform or l= anguage of a single-user product to a different platform or language o= f the same product. Swap if you've been using the product on a particular p= latform or language and then change your operating system or require a diff= erent language version.”

&nb= sp;

 

&= nbsp;

-c

=  

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From= : After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of Gary Berendsen
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 1= 1:19 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: = Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see?

 

&nbs= p;

On Dec 30, 2011, =
at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote:
 
 
 
 cross platform
=


A so= meone who just moved to windows.
At first just dual booting my nehalem m= ac and changing software over and using all the deals.
Like the producti= on bundle discount hich I got for windows it has not been that hard.
I t= hought plugins were going to be a hassle but I emailed all the developers/c= ompanies and they all confirmed that
their plugins are crossplatform on = a single license. 

I quote:

Digieffects

Our plug-ins work on both Windows= and Mac and your serial should work for both as well. Please let me know i= f you have any problems getting the serials authorized.

Red Giant


Our serial numbers are not Host Ap= plication or OS specific, simply make sure you are using the correct instal= ler for your OS and that the host app you wish to install for is properly s= elected during installation. 

Hope that helps, let me know if y= ou have any further questions.


And with ge= narts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on the new system/O= S


I use LW for 3d and that is also cross platform.

So only adobe was the real problem for me.  The= other reason to go PC is that I am using Fusion a lot more.


 
 <=
/pre>
-- 
gary berendsen
 
 
http://garyberendsen.com=

 
 
VFX generalist
=

 




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Animator & Editorwww.teddygage.com
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