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[209.181.8.234]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id l35sm206012031ibj.0.2012.01.05.14.12.58 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Thu, 05 Jan 2012 14:12:59 -0800 (PST) Sender: Gary Berendsen From: Gary Berendsen Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-2--397973262 Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? Date: Thu, 5 Jan 2012 15:12:57 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-2--397973262 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 This doesn't really seem in reply to me? Well, am running everything now. Linux, OSX and Win7. Did have some probs with windows updates not wanting to update but after = uninstalling the previous updates and then running windows update again = it worked. It was a hassle though. Linux is for some compositing and is my play around os on my old laptop. And am slowly transitioning to windows but get sidetracked easier... = dang you steam! ;) Will get a 3930K or 2600K (availability)to replace the macpro (but will = keep it around for pro-res especially). Platform agnostic personally also the FCP thing was a wash, do a lot on = PP now but also running media composer again. MC is on the mac due to = Avid certified systems which kind of pooh poohs me due to on mac only = osx is certified and not win 7 same hardware huh... Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist http://garyberendsen.com On Jan 5, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > Now I don't want to start a flame war here guys, but... >=20 > /FLAME ON >=20 > nah not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic listers = and smacking my head against a brick reading these responses. >=20 > For real 3D (and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, PCs = are the industry standard in my experience, working freelance in new = york, at large and small post houses alike. In fact the larger the = company is, the more probable it is they are running pcs. I've never = seen a 500-mac render farm. yet. The only reason I own a macbook pro is = for FCP. and I keep windows on it. That's it.=20 >=20 > The only thing macs have going for them (or did) >=20 > - industry-wide use of FCP 7.0 > - I honestly can't think of any other reason. decent product design? = better virus protection? >=20 > PCs: >=20 > - order of magnitude cheaper. I could stop here. > - easier to service > - easier to upgrade > - easier to modify hardware > - more software available > - easier to modify software > - cheaper to upgrade > - (more) open platform for development > - can overclock > - problems easier to fix (many of you will disagree, but the worst = crashes I've ever experienced, with 100% data loss, have been macs) >=20 > Especially for 3D, where performance vs. cost and serviceability is a = huge issue, there's no contest. I don't know how apple brainwashes = people into buying a computer for a 200% markup over a PC with better = specs. Besides, as a freelancer, I like to be able to get in there and = know how my system works, take it apart blindfolded, add in a new = motherboard, etc. If anything goes wrong I don't have to take a number = online to a "genius". Don't even get me started... >=20 > /FLAME OFF=20 >=20 > That having been said they make the best laptops in the industry, for = design, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be fooled into thinking = the desktops are truly competitive. It's also clear where the companies = priorities lie, and it's not with us. it's with phones and ipads >=20 > On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary Berendsen = wrote: > I tried doing that once... > I gave up after talking to Adobe customer service here in the = netherlands. > And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the same as the upgrade = cost. > So now I have 2 packages. >=20 > Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist > http://garyberendsen.com >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser wrote: >=20 >> =93You can swap the platform or language of a single-user product to = a different platform or language of the same product. Swap if you've = been using the product on a particular platform or language and then = change your operating system or require a different language version.=94 >> =20 >> http://kb2.adobe.com/cps/405/kb405819.html >> =20 >> =20 >> -c >> =20 >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Gary Berendsen >> Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19 AM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or wait and see? >> =20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Dec 30, 2011, at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote: >> =20 >>=20 >> cross platform >>=20 >> A someone who just moved to windows. >> At first just dual booting my nehalem mac and changing software over = and using all the deals. >> Like the production bundle discount hich I got for windows it has not = been that hard. >> I thought plugins were going to be a hassle but I emailed all the = developers/companies and they all confirmed that >> their plugins are crossplatform on a single license.=20 >>=20 >> I quote: >>=20 >> Digieffects >> Our plug-ins work on both Windows and Mac and your serial should work = for both as well. Please let me know if you have any problems getting = the serials authorized. >>=20 >> Red Giant >>=20 >>=20 >> Our serial numbers are not Host Application or OS specific, simply = make sure you are using the correct installer for your OS and that the = host app you wish to install for is properly selected during = installation.=20 >>=20 >> Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further questions. >>=20 >>=20 >> And with genarts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on = the new system/OS >>=20 >>=20 >> I use LW for 3d and that is also cross platform. >>=20 >> So only adobe was the real problem for me. The other reason to go PC = is that I am using Fusion a lot more. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> gary berendsen >>=20 >> http://garyberendsen.com >>=20 >> VFX generalist >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-2--397973262 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 This = doesn't really seem in reply to me?

Well, am running = everything now.  Linux, OSX and Win7.
Did have some probs = with windows updates not wanting to update but after uninstalling the = previous updates and then running windows update again it = worked.
It was a hassle though.

Linux = is for some compositing and is my play around os on my old = laptop.

And am slowly transitioning to windows = but get sidetracked easier... dang you steam! = ;)


Will get a 3930K or 2600K = (availability)to replace the macpro (but will keep it around for pro-res = especially).

Platform agnostic personally also = the FCP thing was a wash, do a lot on PP now but also running media = composer again. MC is on the mac due to Avid certified systems which = kind of pooh poohs me due to on mac only osx is certified and not win 7 = same hardware huh...


Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist
http://garyberendsen.com



On Jan 5, 2012, at 2:30 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Now I = don't want to start a flame war here guys, but...

/FLAME = ON

nah not going to really rant. I'm just amazed at the PC-phobic = listers and smacking my head against a brick reading these = responses.

For real 3D (and I would argue 2d) motion graphics professionals, = PCs are the industry standard in my experience, working freelance in new = york, at large and small post houses alike. In fact the larger the = company is, the more probable it is they are running pcs. I've never = seen a 500-mac render farm. yet. The only reason I own a macbook pro is = for FCP. and I keep windows on it. That's it.

The only thing macs have going for them (or did)

- = industry-wide use of FCP 7.0
- I honestly can't think of any other = reason. decent product design? better virus = protection?

PCs:

- order of magnitude cheaper. I could = stop here.
- easier to service
- easier to upgrade
- easier to modify = hardware
- more software available
- easier to modify = software
- cheaper to upgrade
- (more) open platform for = development
- can overclock
- problems easier to fix (many of you will disagree, but the worst = crashes I've ever experienced, with 100% data loss, have been = macs)

Especially for 3D, where performance vs. cost and = serviceability is a huge issue, there's no contest. I don't know how = apple brainwashes people into buying a computer for a 200% markup over a = PC with better specs. Besides, as a freelancer, I like to be able to get = in there and know how my system works, take it apart blindfolded, add in = a new motherboard, etc. If anything goes wrong I don't have to take a = number online to a "genius". Don't even get me started...

/FLAME OFF

That having been said they make the best laptops = in the industry, for design, ruggedness and battery life. Just don't be = fooled into thinking the desktops are truly competitive. It's also clear = where the companies priorities lie, and it's not with us. it's with = phones and ipads

On Thu, Jan 5, 2012 at 3:42 PM, Gary = Berendsen <gary@garyberendsen.com> wrote:
I tried doing that once...
I = gave up after talking to Adobe customer service here in the = netherlands.
And the 50% off bundle was much easier and the = same as the upgrade cost.
So now I have 2 packages.

Gary Berendsen - VFX Generalist

=

On Jan 5, 2012, at 12:46 PM, Chris Prosser = wrote:

=93You can swap the platform or language of a single-user = product to a different platform or language of the same product. = Swap if you've been using the product on a particular platform or = language and then change your operating system or require a different = language version.=94
&nb= sp;
 
&nb= sp;
-c
 
Fr= om: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Gary Berendsen
Sent: Friday, December 30, 2011 11:19 = AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] Buy a new mac pro or = wait and see?
&nb= sp;


On Dec 30, =
2011, at 11:50 AM, Dann Stubbs wrote:
 
 cross platform

A = someone who just moved to windows.
At first just dual booting my nehalem mac and changing software over and = using all the deals.
Like the production bundle discount hich I got = for windows it has not been that hard.
I thought plugins were going = to be a hassle but I emailed all the developers/companies and they all = confirmed that
their plugins are crossplatform on a single = license. 

I = quote:

Digieffects

Our plug-ins work on both Windows and Mac and your serial should work = for both as well. Please let me know if you have any problems getting = the serials authorized.

Red Giant


Our = serial numbers are not Host Application or OS specific, simply make sure = you are using the correct installer for your OS and that the host app = you wish to install for is properly selected during = installation. 

Hope that helps, let me know if you have any further = questions.


And with genarts you just uninstall/deactivate and just reactivate on = the new system/OS


I use LW for 3d and that is also cross = platform.

So only adobe was the real problem for me.  The other reason to go = PC is that I am using Fusion a lot = more.




-- 
gary =
berendsen
http://garyberendsen.com
VFX =
generalist




-- =
Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn


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