Return-Path: Received: from omr3.networksolutionsemail.com ([205.178.146.53] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4589253 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:07:33 +0100 Received: from cm-omr12 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr3.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.6/8.13.6) with ESMTP id q0G8EY6B013909 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:14:34 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr12 smtp.user=chris@chriszwar.com; auth=pass (LOGIN) X-Authenticated-UID: chris@chriszwar.com Received: from [58.104.25.254] ([58.104.25.254:51248] helo=[10.1.1.4]) by cm-omr12 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id FB/AB-23837-86CD31F4; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 03:14:34 -0500 From: Chris Zwar Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-502119171 Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 19:14:29 +1100 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <6A0AF59A-F99A-4135-B501-C8091724FAC0@chriszwar.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-1-502119171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Hi Carey, When I saw the subject line I thought you were posting a link to an = ArsTechnica article which went up a few hours ago: = http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/01/video-pros-apple-needs-to-acknow= ledge-the-pro-industry-and-fast.ars Definitely a good read, even if you don't agree with them... -Chris On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >=20 > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >=20 >> Migrating to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of = discussion though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying = any $300 thunderbolt USB hubs anytime soon. >>=20 >> However, one sincere question: does thunderbolt have any advantages = over USB 3.0?=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com >> Brooklyn >>=20 >=20 >=20 > As far as the Windows thing, I think it's safe to say I'm addressing = the folks in the business who, like me, are forecasting their next round = of investment in gear. Folks who have been traditionally Mac. = Personally, I've had a cross-platform shop for a decade, but the last = several years has been much more mac-centric.=20 >=20 > Thunderbolt vs. USB 3: > Well, TB's primary advantage is greater speed 10Gbps vs. 5Gbps. Also, = it can do full 10Gbps in each direction simultaneously while USB 3 = can't.=20 > Cons: Expensive, currently obscure/minimum penetration. >=20 > Thunderbolt, in it's current incarnation (distant future will take it = to 100Gbps (40 lanes)-or so they say) is fast enough for most = everything, including video capture/output and storage but not enough to = fulfill the full-bandwidth speeds for GPUs. Actual real-world benchmarks = of the performance impact of running GPU-dependent apps in Thunderbolt = chassis do not yet exist, at least that I can find...so all we can talk = about right now is the large discrepancy in available bandwidth between = 4 and 16 lanes.=20 >=20 > USB 3 is cheap and highly available now, and a pretty good choice for = certain things. As Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't = handle keep getting smaller as the bandwidth increases.=20 >=20 > Carey >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-502119171 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Hi = Carey,

When I saw the subject line I thought you were = posting a link to an ArsTechnica article which went up a few hours = ago:


Definitely a good read, even if you = don't agree with = them...


-Chris

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On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:


On Jan 16, 2012, = at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Migrating = to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of discussion = though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying any $300 = thunderbolt USB hubs anytime soon.

However, one sincere question: = does thunderbolt have any advantages over USB 3.0?


--
Animator & = Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn



As far as the Windows thing, = I think it's safe to say I'm addressing the folks in the business who, = like me, are forecasting their next round of investment in gear. Folks = who have been traditionally Mac. Personally, I've had a cross-platform = shop for a decade, but the last several years has been much more = mac-centric. 

Thunderbolt vs. USB = 3:
Well, TB's primary advantage is greater speed 10Gbps vs. = 5Gbps. Also, it can do full 10Gbps in each direction simultaneously = while USB 3 can't. 
Cons: Expensive, currently = obscure/minimum penetration.

Thunderbolt, in = it's current incarnation (distant future will take it to 100Gbps (40 = lanes)-or so they say) is fast enough for most everything, including = video capture/output and storage but not enough to fulfill the = full-bandwidth speeds for GPUs. Actual real-world benchmarks of the = performance impact of running GPU-dependent apps in Thunderbolt chassis = do not yet exist, at least that I can find...so all we can talk about = right now is the large discrepancy in available bandwidth between 4 and = 16 lanes. 

USB 3 is cheap and highly = available now, and a pretty good choice for certain things. As = Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't handle keep = getting smaller as the bandwidth = increases. 

Carey

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