Return-Path: Received: from mail-gy0-f169.google.com ([209.85.160.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4589525 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 15:09:51 +0100 Received: by ghbg19 with SMTP id g19so1772024ghb.28 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:16:53 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.100.246.30 with SMTP id t30mr5172598anh.20.1326723412902; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:16:52 -0800 (PST) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.1.226] (c-71-63-186-29.hsd1.mn.comcast.net. [71.63.186.29]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id a48sm30498657yhj.2.2012.01.16.06.16.50 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Mon, 16 Jan 2012 06:16:51 -0800 (PST) From: Carey Dissmore Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1251.1) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_C042387B-E68B-4B99-9C82-C88ED814B769" Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 08:16:49 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <24B9E4C3-5E27-4BFC-9B33-91CF36399C28@imugonline.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1251.1) --Apple-Mail=_C042387B-E68B-4B99-9C82-C88ED814B769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Thanks. That is a good read. I updated my post with a link to it.=20 And of course I don't agree with everything point of view expressed in = the article, but that's not really the point. I think the larger point = is that this conversation is still building as the level of investment = is pretty significant for many production businesses out there, and = we're getting to the point where we're going to know soon, one way or = the other, if the Mac Pro (or some new incarnation of it) has a future.=20= Carey http://www.careydissmore.com On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:14 AM, Chris Zwar wrote: > Hi Carey, >=20 > When I saw the subject line I thought you were posting a link to an = ArsTechnica article which went up a few hours ago: >=20 > = http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/01/video-pros-apple-needs-to-acknow= ledge-the-pro-industry-and-fast.ars >=20 > Definitely a good read, even if you don't agree with them... >=20 >=20 > -Chris >=20 > On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>=20 >>> Migrating to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of = discussion though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying = any $300 thunderbolt USB hubs anytime soon. >>>=20 >>> However, one sincere question: does thunderbolt have any advantages = over USB 3.0?=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Animator & Editor >>> www.teddygage.com >>> Brooklyn >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> As far as the Windows thing, I think it's safe to say I'm addressing = the folks in the business who, like me, are forecasting their next round = of investment in gear. Folks who have been traditionally Mac. = Personally, I've had a cross-platform shop for a decade, but the last = several years has been much more mac-centric.=20 >>=20 >> Thunderbolt vs. USB 3: >> Well, TB's primary advantage is greater speed 10Gbps vs. 5Gbps. Also, = it can do full 10Gbps in each direction simultaneously while USB 3 = can't.=20 >> Cons: Expensive, currently obscure/minimum penetration. >>=20 >> Thunderbolt, in it's current incarnation (distant future will take it = to 100Gbps (40 lanes)-or so they say) is fast enough for most = everything, including video capture/output and storage but not enough to = fulfill the full-bandwidth speeds for GPUs. Actual real-world benchmarks = of the performance impact of running GPU-dependent apps in Thunderbolt = chassis do not yet exist, at least that I can find...so all we can talk = about right now is the large discrepancy in available bandwidth between = 4 and 16 lanes.=20 >>=20 >> USB 3 is cheap and highly available now, and a pretty good choice for = certain things. As Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't = handle keep getting smaller as the bandwidth increases.=20 >>=20 >> Carey >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_C042387B-E68B-4B99-9C82-C88ED814B769 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii http://www.careydissmore.com


On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:14 AM, = Chris Zwar wrote:

Hi = Carey,

When I saw the subject line I thought you were = posting a link to an ArsTechnica article which went up a few hours = ago:


Definitely a good read, even if you = don't agree with = them...


-Chris

=
On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:


On Jan 16, 2012, = at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Migrating = to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of discussion = though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying any $300 = thunderbolt USB hubs anytime soon.

However, one sincere question: = does thunderbolt have any advantages over USB 3.0?


--
Animator & = Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn



As far as the Windows thing, = I think it's safe to say I'm addressing the folks in the business who, = like me, are forecasting their next round of investment in gear. Folks = who have been traditionally Mac. Personally, I've had a cross-platform = shop for a decade, but the last several years has been much more = mac-centric. 

Thunderbolt vs. USB = 3:
Well, TB's primary advantage is greater speed 10Gbps vs. = 5Gbps. Also, it can do full 10Gbps in each direction simultaneously = while USB 3 can't. 
Cons: Expensive, currently = obscure/minimum penetration.

Thunderbolt, in = it's current incarnation (distant future will take it to 100Gbps (40 = lanes)-or so they say) is fast enough for most everything, including = video capture/output and storage but not enough to fulfill the = full-bandwidth speeds for GPUs. Actual real-world benchmarks of the = performance impact of running GPU-dependent apps in Thunderbolt chassis = do not yet exist, at least that I can find...so all we can talk about = right now is the large discrepancy in available bandwidth between 4 and = 16 lanes. 

USB 3 is cheap and highly = available now, and a pretty good choice for certain things. As = Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't handle keep = getting smaller as the bandwidth = increases. 

Carey

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