Return-Path: Received: from oproxy9.bluehost.com ([69.89.24.6] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4589667 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:16:21 +0100 Received: (qmail 23277 invoked by uid 0); 16 Jan 2012 16:23:22 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO box449.bluehost.com) (69.89.31.249) by oproxy9.bluehost.com with SMTP; 16 Jan 2012 16:23:22 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; q=dns/txt; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=creativetaco.com; s=default; h=Mime-Version:Content-Transfer-Encoding:To:Date:Message-Id:In-Reply-To:Content-Type:From:References:Subject; bh=5cV+dnss4xWrTOiEyvwcjQTzQ3fvEINsXETBJpyvPsM=; b=Y5gHfNXXlp6M922CSnalmFVkS/A0/Pvg8KIC33I+mAW9p8ykyUofELVF+6iksPMHs3oT+XNIr0h5BUnGSxhJgHehf0XpxivFEzLztY57Nn+qqqnuKtzI4rTgvxl/iR+K; Received: from 215.sub-174-252-119.myvzw.com ([174.252.119.215] helo=[10.234.133.78]) by box449.bluehost.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.76) (envelope-from ) id 1RmpL2-00057H-Q3 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 09:23:22 -0700 Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post References: From: Matthew Dessner Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-BCCBBB1F-CA20-471A-8399-FBD471B7EC14 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 11:23:11 -0500 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-Identified-User: {32367:box449.bluehost.com:creatjv6:creativetaco.com} {sentby:smtp auth 174.252.119.215 authed with matt@creativetaco.com} --Apple-Mail-BCCBBB1F-CA20-471A-8399-FBD471B7EC14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Great link. Some of that article really hit home for me. Sent from my iPhone Please excuse the typos. On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Chris Zwar wrote: > Hi Carey, >=20 > When I saw the subject line I thought you were posting a link to an ArsTec= hnica article which went up a few hours ago: >=20 > http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2012/01/video-pros-apple-needs-to-acknow= ledge-the-pro-industry-and-fast.ars >=20 > Definitely a good read, even if you don't agree with them... >=20 >=20 > -Chris >=20 > On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: >=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >>=20 >>> Migrating to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of dis= cussion though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying any $30= 0 thunderbolt USB hubs anytime soon. >>>=20 >>> However, one sincere question: does thunderbolt have any advantages over= USB 3.0?=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> --=20 >>> Animator & Editor >>> www.teddygage.com >>> Brooklyn >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> As far as the Windows thing, I think it's safe to say I'm addressing the f= olks in the business who, like me, are forecasting their next round of inves= tment in gear. Folks who have been traditionally Mac. Personally, I've had a= cross-platform shop for a decade, but the last several years has been much m= ore mac-centric.=20 >>=20 >> Thunderbolt vs. USB 3: >> Well, TB's primary advantage is greater speed 10Gbps vs. 5Gbps. Also, it c= an do full 10Gbps in each direction simultaneously while USB 3 can't.=20 >> Cons: Expensive, currently obscure/minimum penetration. >>=20 >> Thunderbolt, in it's current incarnation (distant future will take it to 1= 00Gbps (40 lanes)-or so they say) is fast enough for most everything, includ= ing video capture/output and storage but not enough to fulfill the full-band= width speeds for GPUs. Actual real-world benchmarks of the performance impac= t of running GPU-dependent apps in Thunderbolt chassis do not yet exist, at l= east that I can find...so all we can talk about right now is the large discr= epancy in available bandwidth between 4 and 16 lanes.=20 >>=20 >> USB 3 is cheap and highly available now, and a pretty good choice for cer= tain things. As Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't handle= keep getting smaller as the bandwidth increases.=20 >>=20 >> Carey >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-BCCBBB1F-CA20-471A-8399-FBD471B7EC14 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Great link. Some of that a= rticle really hit home for me.

Sent from my iPhone
Please excuse t= he typos.


On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:14 AM, Ch= ris Zwar <chris@chriszwar.com&= gt; wrote:

Hi Carey,<= div>
When I saw the subject line I thought you were posting a l= ink to an ArsTechnica article which went up a few hours ago:

<= /div>

Definitely a good read, even if y= ou don't agree with them...


-Chris

On 16/01/2012, at 6:47 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:

On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:21 AM, Teddy Gage wr= ote:

= Migrating to windows? never left. Won't start down that dark path of discuss= ion though, I've said my peace. Let's just say I won't be buying any $300 th= underbolt USB hubs anytime soon.

However, one sincere question: does t= hunderbolt have any advantages over USB 3.0?


-- Animator & Editor
www.teddygage.com
Brooklyn



As far as the Windows thing, I th= ink it's safe to say I'm addressing the folks in the business who, like me, a= re forecasting their next round of investment in gear. Folks who have been t= raditionally Mac. Personally, I've had a cross-platform shop for a decade, b= ut the last several years has been much more mac-centric. 
Thunderbolt vs. USB 3:
Well, TB's primary advantage i= s greater speed 10Gbps vs. 5Gbps. Also, it can do full 10Gbps in each direct= ion simultaneously while USB 3 can't. 
Cons: Expensive, curre= ntly obscure/minimum penetration.

Thunderbolt, in i= t's current incarnation (distant future will take it to 100Gbps (40 lanes)-o= r so they say) is fast enough for most everything, including video capture/o= utput and storage but not enough to fulfill the full-bandwidth speeds for GP= Us. Actual real-world benchmarks of the performance impact of running GPU-de= pendent apps in Thunderbolt chassis do not yet exist, at least that I can fi= nd...so all we can talk about right now is the large discrepancy in availabl= e bandwidth between 4 and 16 lanes. 

USB 3 is c= heap and highly available now, and a pretty good choice for certain things. A= s Thunderbolt has shown, the list of things a bus can't handle keep getting s= maller as the bandwidth increases. 

Carey


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