Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4589961 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 22:26:57 +0100 Received: by bkbzx1 with SMTP id zx1so91109bkb.28 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:34:00 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=Eef20SsD3wG1uy4ijSJDBypa9DrE36urJPgX0KZTR6s=; b=dk6Lin3UmcSDeUL4hYtwak/urZGDWjePhbxqMekhLIzQeSxANhxaYbzNLQVnZv6SgZ F7qGXnLv8D9aQts/tH9fyRcinC4QIUCAkFIu4FGWGq8S1EazLT2D+L4KP74kFJ9s91Ct 8sMf51Aelek3GZukIkzOovp1xD32mj9+KqQr8= Received: by 10.204.151.209 with SMTP id d17mr5780629bkw.52.1326749639216; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:33:59 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.100.74 with HTTP; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 13:33:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 16:33:18 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175d67ecf38d9b04b6abf808 --0015175d67ecf38d9b04b6abf808 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 But that's the whole issue. Nobody's sure if there will even BE another generation of mac pros. It's been 18 months since the last refresh already. And if you're a studio faced with upgrading one more round, and then not having support or a continued upgrade path after that, you're not going to be investing thousands of dollars in apple hardware. it would be suicide. This isn't even factoring in the FCP X lack of tape output, EDLs, etc... and a clearly "prosumer" oriented refocus. The statistic I came away with from that article was that Apple's entire Pro annual market sales equal one day of a new iPad release. Sure the "new" features are nice but Premiere had CUDA, speech-to-text and multithreading almost a year before X. FCP 7.0 / X will no longer be relevant in the pro video space in two years. Maybe less.. On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:46 PM, James Culbertson wrote: > I imagine most video pros will want to stick with a MacPro for at least > one more generation before depending upon Thunderbolt extensively. > > I'm waiting for the next revision of MacPro before upgrading personally. > Though i can see how iMacs and MacBookPros are becoming more realistic for > intensive video work as time passes. > > James > > > On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: > > > One thing I have not been able to find any data about is what level of > performance reduction one could expect in apps like Premiere Pro, Resolve > and others that constantly pump video to and from the GPU for buffering and > processing. Just looking at the architecture, it appears 4 lanes is > inadequate. > > > > Of course with anything computer bus related: There is generally a > larger discrepancy in theoretical bandwidth than real world application > tests. Unfortunately, we don't have any of those as the gear to do them > isn't yet available. > > > > Maybe there would be a way to gang a couple of Thunderbolt busses > together and get 8 lanes and that would get us over the hump (or close). > But those busses would probably have to be completely dedicated to that > task, not laden down with other devices vying for the bandwidth. All of > this development would come at a very high cost though, when we have a > working, cheap solution with pci express slots on desktop motherboards. > Taking that external without bottlenecking it is the challenge. The > portability premium strikes again. > > > > Carey > > > > > > > > On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tsassoon wrote: > > > >> Get a Mini :-) I'd very much like it if nVidia committed to building a > Thunderbolt-attached CUDA engine. > >> > >> > >> Tim Sassoon > >> SFD > >> Santa Monica, CA > >> > >> Sent from my iPhone > >> > >> > >> > >> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Satya G Meka wrote: > >> > >>> I hate those Glossy screens that come with iMac > >> > >> +---End of message---+ > >> To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --0015175d67ecf38d9b04b6abf808 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =A0=A0=A0 But that's the whole issue. Nobody's sure if there will e= ven BE another generation of mac pros. It's been 18 months since the la= st refresh already. And if you're a studio faced with upgrading one mor= e round, and then not having support or a continued upgrade path after that= , you're not going to be investing thousands of dollars in apple hardwa= re. it would be suicide. This isn't even factoring in the FCP X lack of= tape output, EDLs, etc... and a clearly "prosumer" oriented refo= cus. The statistic I came away with from that article was that Apple's = entire Pro annual market sales equal one day of a new iPad release. Sure th= e "new" features are nice but Premiere had CUDA, speech-to-text a= nd multithreading almost a year before X. FCP 7.0 / X will no longer be rel= evant in the pro video space in two years. Maybe less..

On Mon, Jan 16, 2012 at 3:46 PM, James Culbe= rtson <albion@= speakeasy.net> wrote:
I imagine most video pros will want to stick with a MacPro for at least one= more generation before depending upon Thunderbolt extensively.

I'm waiting for the next revision of MacPro before upgrading personally= . Though i can see how iMacs and MacBookPros are becoming more realistic fo= r intensive video work as time passes.

James


On Jan 16, 2012, at 12:36 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote:

> One thing I have not been able to find any data about is what level of= performance reduction one could expect in apps like Premiere Pro, Resolve = and others that constantly pump video to and from the GPU for buffering and= processing. Just looking at the architecture, it appears 4 lanes is inadeq= uate.
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> Of course with anything computer bus related: There is generally a lar= ger discrepancy in theoretical bandwidth than real world application tests.= Unfortunately, we don't have any of those as the gear to do them isn&#= 39;t yet available.
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> Maybe there would be a way to gang a couple of Thunderbolt busses toge= ther and get 8 lanes and that would get us over the hump (or close). But th= ose busses would probably have to be completely dedicated to that task, not= laden down with other devices vying for the bandwidth. All of this develop= ment would come at a very high cost though, when we have a working, cheap s= olution with pci express slots on desktop motherboards. Taking that externa= l without bottlenecking it is the challenge. The portability premium strike= s again.
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> Carey
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> On Jan 16, 2012, at 2:13 PM, Tsassoon wrote:
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>> Get a Mini :-) I'd very much like it if nVidia committed to bu= ilding a Thunderbolt-attached CUDA engine.
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>> Tim Sassoon
>> SFD
>> Santa Monica, CA
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>> Sent from my iPhone
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>> On Jan 16, 2012, at 11:45 AM, Satya G Meka <lists@rowbyte.com> wrote:
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>>> I hate those Glossy screens that come with iMac
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