Return-Path: Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net ([207.145.128.243] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4590140 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 17 Jan 2012 01:59:45 +0100 Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.50]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 66FDAA700B9 for ; Mon, 16 Jan 2012 20:06:46 -0500 (EST) Received: (qmail 20368 invoked from network); 17 Jan 2012 01:06:46 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 11448, pid: 21365, t: 1.5492s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 spam: 3.0.4 Received: from c-24-19-205-131.hsd1.wa.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.1.125]) (albion@[24.19.205.131]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 17 Jan 2012 01:06:44 -0000 From: James Culbertson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-6-562844964 Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 17:06:35 -0800 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <81148A35-BF55-4352-8FA4-6EF607A74407@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail6.sea5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.1 required=8.0 tests=HTML_40_50,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.0.4 --Apple-Mail-6-562844964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Fair enough. And agree with your hopes for redesigned Mac Pro. James On Jan 16, 2012, at 3:18 PM, Carey Dissmore wrote: > I was tempted to entertain the idea of a revised Mac Pro in the video = blog post but it seemed too speculative, as opposed to dealing with the = idea that Thunderbolt can't sustain enough lanes of data to fully = saturate a GPU, and the potential mass migration if---and that's a big = if---Apple didn't offer a refreshed/redesigned Mac Pro. By the way I = didn't think my take on it rose to rumor status because the Thunderbolt = spec is a known thing. The future Mac Pro is an either/or thing. >=20 > My hope for any redesigned Mac Pro would be that it still offered = full-bandwidth PCI-Express support for GPUs, even if it pushed a bunch = of other stuff onto Thunderbolt.=20 >=20 > In the future, 100Gbps Thunderbolt (think 2018-2020 for release date) = would accommodate this kind of bandwidth. However, looking that far = ahead at what sorts of architectures and applications might be in play = is pretty hard to do.=20 >=20 > carey >=20 > On Jan 16, 2012, at 4:44 PM, James Culbertson wrote: >=20 >> Agreed. And that approach is quickly becoming more realistic for = many. >>=20 >> But all of this is just rumor, including of course Carey's original = blog post. >>=20 >> Perhaps Carey should have put "Rumor:" at the head of his original = subject line to remind us that none of us really know what will happen. >>=20 >> I happen to believe the rumors that there will be at least one more = MacPro revision before Apple comes up with some more modern version of = the MacPro. I guess that is a plausible as anything else that has been = written on the subject here and elsewhere. >>=20 >> James >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jan 16, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tony Romain wrote: >>=20 >>> It may just be that we're just seeing the next evolution in the role = of the workstation in a production set up. Maybe there are advantages = to not having your workstation be the end all be all for all I/O, = processing, etc. But rather a new ala carte model that is catered to = your specific application. >>>=20 >>> There are plenty of people who manage to cut video (offline at least = ) on a laptop with an external raid=85 maybe in the future there will = be ways to offload higher end video processing/RAM/GPU intensive = calculations to an external video processor, specifically tuned to that = task=85 >>>=20 >>> not saying this is the best approach or cost efficient. But just = wondering of what the possibilities may be=85 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -- >>> tony romain :// principal/creative director >>>=20 >>> trance >>> motion graphic animation and design >>> 323 651 1114 >>> www.trancedesigns.com >>>=20 >>> From: James Culbertson >>> Reply-To: AE list >>> Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 12:46:54 -0800 >>> To: AE list >>> Subject: Re: [AE] The Future of the Mac Pro in Video Post >>>=20 >>> I imagine most video pros will want to stick with a MacPro for at = least one more generation before depending upon Thunderbolt extensively. >>>=20 >>> I'm waiting for the next revision of MacPro before upgrading = personally. Though i can see how iMacs and MacBookPros are becoming more = realistic for intensive video work as time passes. >>>=20 >>> James >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-6-562844964 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
I was tempted to entertain the = idea of a revised Mac Pro in the video blog post but it seemed too = speculative, as opposed to dealing with the idea that Thunderbolt can't = sustain enough lanes of data to fully saturate a GPU, and the potential = mass migration if---and that's a big if---Apple didn't offer a = refreshed/redesigned Mac Pro.  By the way I didn't think my take on = it rose to rumor status because the Thunderbolt spec is a known thing. = The future Mac Pro is an either/or thing.

My hope for = any redesigned Mac Pro would be that it still offered full-bandwidth = PCI-Express support for GPUs, even if it pushed a bunch of other stuff = onto Thunderbolt. 

In the future, 100Gbps = Thunderbolt (think 2018-2020 for release date) would accommodate this = kind of bandwidth. However, looking that far ahead at what sorts of = architectures and applications might be in play is pretty hard to = do. 

carey

On = Jan 16, 2012, at 4:44 PM, James Culbertson wrote:

Agreed. And that approach = is quickly becoming more realistic for = many.

But all of this is just rumor, including = of course Carey's original blog post.

Perhaps = Carey should have put "Rumor:" at the head of his original subject line = to remind us that none of us really know what will = happen.

I happen to believe the rumors that = there will be at least one more MacPro revision before Apple comes up = with some more modern version of the MacPro. I guess that is a plausible = as anything else that has been written on the subject here and = elsewhere.

James


On Jan 16, 2012, at 1:38 PM, Tony Romain wrote:

It may just be = that we're just seeing the next evolution in the role of the workstation = in a production set up.  Maybe there are advantages to not having = your workstation be the end all be all for all I/O, processing, etc. =  But rather a new ala carte model that is catered to your specific = application.

There are plenty of people who = manage to cut video (offline at least ) on a laptop with an external = raid=85  maybe in the future there will be ways to offload higher = end video processing/RAM/GPU intensive calculations to an external video = processor, specifically tuned to that task=85

not= saying this is the best approach or cost efficient.   But just = wondering of what the possibilities may = be=85


--
tony = romain :// principal/creative = director

trance
motion graphic = animation and design
323 651 1114

From: James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net>
Reply-To: AE list <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Date: Mon, 16 Jan 2012 = 12:46:54 -0800
To: AE list = <AE-List@media-motion.tv>Subject: Re: [AE] The Future = of the Mac Pro in Video Post

I imagine most = video pros will want to stick with a MacPro for at least one more = generation before depending upon Thunderbolt extensively.

I'm waiting for the = next revision of MacPro before upgrading personally. Though i can see = how iMacs and MacBookPros are becoming more realistic for intensive = video work as time passes.

James
=



= --Apple-Mail-6-562844964--