Return-Path: Received: from omr12.networksolutionsemail.com ([205.178.146.62] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4613123 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 01 Feb 2012 00:22:44 +0100 Received: from cm-omr11 (mail.networksolutionsemail.com [205.178.146.50]) by omr12.networksolutionsemail.com (8.13.8/8.13.8) with ESMTP id q0VNSWij017243 for ; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:28:32 -0500 Authentication-Results: cm-omr11 smtp.user=torno@sydefxink.com; auth=pass (CRAM-MD5) X-Authenticated-UID: torno@sydefxink.com Received: from [64.183.31.59] ([64.183.31.59:53971] helo=[192.168.1.104]) by cm-omr11 (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.41 r(31179/31189)) with ESMTPA id F1/2D-25300-F19782F4; Tue, 31 Jan 2012 18:28:32 -0500 Subject: Re: [AE] Is it safe (10.7.2)? References: From: David Torno Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-824BC0C5-EB72-42C0-BBA3-36397F944A99 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A334) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <94A84FA8-6C1F-490A-8AD8-3EC6C3E14C09@sydefxink.com> Date: Tue, 31 Jan 2012 15:28:27 -0800 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) --Apple-Mail-824BC0C5-EB72-42C0-BBA3-36397F944A99 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > In my opinion, Lions appears more dumbed down and has many features taken f= rom iOS that don't work very well on a desktop BINGO! It truly was built for a consumer and not a pro. They put a bunch of s= afety nets to protect people from losing work, but it honestly just gets in t= he way and doesn't help at all. There are a bunch of small annoyances that h= ave been implemented that bug the hell out of me. Simple things like not bei= ng able to see the remaining space on your disk in a finder window anymore. G= otta do a get info to see it now. Gonna stop myself here before falling down= that rabbit hole. The only other thing I've noticed with AE is that the expression panel trips= out too. It won't scroll to the bottom or top if your whole expression isn'= t showing to begin with when entering the edit area, but I'm pretty sure thi= s isn't a Lion related thing. David Torno Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor http://www.ghosttownmedia.com O: 213.739.2290 C: 818.391.6060 --------------------- http://www.sydefxink.com http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com http://mactex.blogspot.com "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" -Charles Field On Jan 31, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Satya G Meka wrote: > Oh, that's why AE keeps crashing on startup. I run Lion on a Mac Pro, and A= E crashes on startup every once in a while, but couldn't figure out why. In m= y opinion, Lions appears more dumbed down and has many features taken from i= OS that don't work very well on a desktop. But, as for using Adobe apps, I d= idn't experience any other issues except for apps crashing on startup. >=20 > Satya G Meka. > On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 at 3:02 PM, David Torno wrote: >=20 >> Don't get me started on vocalizing the hatred I have for Lion in general r= ight now. I regret not just staying put with my beloved Snow Leopard 10.6.8.= SO MUCH FASTER AND RESPONSIVE. In my experience at least. As far as Adobe a= nd Lion goes, AE has operated about the same for me. I've had Media Core fai= ling on launch a few times due to the "saved state" function of Lion, but de= leting the actual saved state resolves it. I'm saddened that the saved state= is not an optional feature, it just is the new way of operating with Lion n= ow. Photoshop has run decently, but i haven't really pushed it at all. Haven= 't touched the other Adobe apps in Lion yet. Overall, I've watched my MacBoo= k Pro drop about 50% in speed and usefulness because of the update. 10.7.2 d= idn't help any either. 10.7.3 is around the corner and my fingers are crosse= d that I can hopefully gain back my once beloved machine from it's coma. >>=20 >> David Torno >> Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor >> http://www.ghosttownmedia.com >> O: 213.739.2290 >> C: 818.391.6060 >> --------------------- >> http://www.sydefxink.com >> http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com >> http://mactex.blogspot.com >>=20 >> "The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh" >> -Charles Field >>=20 >> On Jan 31, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Jim Curtis wrote: >>=20 >>> Due to my policy of not upgrading to an OS.0 release, I've held off on u= pgrading my main systems to 10.7.x. >>>=20 >>> I have heard scant few reports of CS, or rather third-party plugs, not w= orking with 10.7 that were working fine under 10.6.8. >>>=20 >>> Most the bad has been about audio plug-ins, not necessarily Ae plug-ins.= But, to be honest, up until lately, I've turned a deaf ear to any news abou= t 10.7. >>>=20 >>> I'm considering upgrading my Media Composer to 6, due to an upcoming job= on MC, where 10.7 is recommended. >>>=20 >>> And now that FCPX has FCP7 import (via a third party utility by Intellig= ent Assistance), I'm considering giving FCPX a test drive as well. >>>=20 >>> But, my main NLE is now Pr, and I will continue to rely heavily on Ae, A= i, and other CS components for the bulk of my work. I have a slew of plug-in= s for Ae. A slew, I tells ya'. >>>=20 >>> So... I was hoping to get some good/bad reports on whether this is a goo= d time to make the jump to 10.7.2. I don't really want to run a dual boot sy= stem. I like to make a commitment and stick with it. >>>=20 >>> Any advice? >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>> Jim C. >>>=20 >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 --Apple-Mail-824BC0C5-EB72-42C0-BBA3-36397F944A99 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
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In my opinion, L= ions appears more dumbed down and has many features taken from iOS that don'= t work very well on a desktop
BINGO! It truly= was built for a consumer and not a pro. They put a bunch of safety nets to p= rotect people from losing work, but it honestly just gets in the way and doe= sn't help at all. There are a bunch of small annoyances that have been imple= mented that bug the hell out of me. Simple things like not being able to see= the remaining space on your disk in a finder window anymore. Gotta do a get= info to see it now. Gonna stop myself here before falling down that rabbit h= ole.

The only other thing I've noticed with AE is t= hat the expression panel trips out too. It won't scroll to the bottom or top= if your whole expression isn't showing to begin with when entering the edit= area, but I'm pretty sure this isn't a Lion related thing.

David Tor= no
Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor
O: 213.739= .2290
C: 818.391.6060
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http://www.sydefxink.com
http://aeioweyou.blogspot.com<= div>
"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh"
-Charles Field

On Jan 31, 2012, at 3:17 PM, Sat= ya G Meka <lists@rowbyte.com>= wrote:

Oh, that's why AE keeps crashing on startup. I run Lion= on a Mac Pro, and AE crashes on startup every once in a while, but couldn't= figure out why. In my opinion, Lions appears more dumbed down and has many f= eatures taken from iOS that don't work very well on a desktop. But, as for u= sing Adobe apps, I didn't experience any other issues except for apps crashi= ng on startup.

Satya G Meka.
=20

On Tuesday, January 31, 2012 at= 3:02 PM, David Torno wrote:

Don't get me started on vocalizing t= he hatred I have for Lion in general right now. I regret not just staying pu= t with my beloved Snow Leopard 10.6.8. SO MUCH FASTER AND RESPONSIVE. In my e= xperience at least. As far as Adobe and Lion goes, AE has operated about the= same for me. I've had Media Core failing on launch a few times due to the "= saved state" function of Lion, but deleting the actual saved state resolves i= t. I'm saddened that the saved state is not an optional feature, it just is t= he new way of operating with Lion now. Photoshop has run decently, but i hav= en't really pushed it at all. Haven't touched the other Adobe apps in Lion y= et. Overall, I've watched my MacBook Pro drop about 50% in speed and usefuln= ess because of the update. 10.7.2 didn't help any either. 10.7.3 is around t= he corner and my fingers are crossed that I can hopefully gain back my once b= eloved machine from it's coma.

David Torno
Visual Effects Artist & Supervisor
O: 213.739.2290=
C: 818.391.6060
---------------------
http://mactex.blogspot.com

"The most useless day is that in which we do not laugh= "
-Charles Field

On Jan 31, 2012, at 2:27= PM, Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com&g= t; wrote:

Due to my p= olicy of not upgrading to an OS.0 release, I've held off on upgrading my mai= n systems to 10.7.x.

I have heard scant few reports= of CS, or rather third-party plugs, not working with 10.7 that were working= fine under 10.6.8.

Most the bad has been about aud= io plug-ins, not necessarily Ae plug-ins. But, to be honest, up until latel= y, I've turned a deaf ear to any news about 10.7.

I= 'm considering upgrading my Media Composer to 6, due to an upcoming job on M= C, where 10.7 is recommended.

And now that FCPX h= as FCP7 import (via a third party utility by Intelligent Assistance), I'm co= nsidering giving FCPX a test drive as well.

But, my= main NLE is now Pr, and I will continue to rely heavily on Ae, Ai, and othe= r CS components for the bulk of my work. I have a slew of plug-ins for Ae. = A slew, I tells ya'.

So... I was hoping to get som= e good/bad reports on whether this is a good time to make the jump to 10.7.2= . I don't really want to run a dual boot system. I like to make a commitme= nt and stick with it.

Any advice?

Thanks,
Jim C.

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