Return-Path: Received: from asmtpout024.mac.com ([17.148.16.99] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4619336 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 09:39:08 +0100 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_RD2wmm7rOr4dpr86o4G1bQ)" Received: from [192.168.1.206] (99-162-7-33.lightspeed.okcbok.sbcglobal.net [99.162.7.33]) by asmtp024.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-23.01(7.0.4.23.0) 64bit (built Aug 10 2011)) with ESMTPSA id <0LZ2003PRGAMB340@asmtp024.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 00:44:49 -0800 (PST) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.6.7361,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-02-08_02:2012-02-07,2012-02-08,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1202080008 Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe References: From: Benny Christensen X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-reply-to: Message-id: <2CEF4DB8-FECD-4DC3-935C-9FC29C0E01BA@me.com> Date: Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:44:45 -0600 To: After Effects Mail List --Boundary_(ID_RD2wmm7rOr4dpr86o4G1bQ) Content-type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT I know but it is not just Adobe or Apple. It is part of the deal we made with the devil for faster, higher quality web video. You can't single out any one company. He should also complain to YouTube because the modern codecs they use are too data intensive to play back on my 1999 iMac. But I think that we can all agree that the codecs if today are way better than the Flash, Real Video and Quicklime we were able to watch in 1999. To complain that modern software and codecs need to be backward compatible puts you firmly in the Microsoft arena and even they are trying to kill antiquated browsers because they can't keep up. Even the whole change to digital TV is part of this. By making analog TV's obsolete the industry forced everyone to upgrade. I promise you that not one of the LCD's I'm using today will last anywhere near as long as my mother in laws old Magnavox or Sony CRT. And just wait until all the TVs are Internet Appliances. I'm not saying that it is necessarily right, but at some point you have to face the reality that this is the way it is. Benny Christensen Producers Playhouse On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Tony Hayes wrote: > I think you'll find Joe is annoyed about adobe no longer updating flash on PPC macs, he has a point, as I found out last year no one makes browsers for PPC macs either, Joe should actually be pissed at apple, he wouldn't have this problem to anywhere near the same extent if he owned a pc. > > Tony > > > > On 8 February 2012 18:40, Benny Christensen wrote: > What you are complaining about, planned obsolescence, is the basis of the whole computer industry. > > If you have a working computer with a working piece of software, yank it off the Internet, freeze it in time and work it until the transistors melt. There's no one stopping you. > > I have routinely waited and upgraded about every other time Adobe or Apple thought I should. If I can afford the new thing and I feel that it will make me money I'll jump, otherwise I'll wait. > > There's no law that says you have to buy the latest labor saving, gee whiz piece of software. So just save your money and use what is working for you. > > Benny Christensen > Producers Playhouse > > > On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM, joe cafe wrote: > >> wrote: >> Wow, really?> >> >> apologies for the delayed response. You are assuming that everyone who wants to watch a Flash movie is at the edge of motion graphics, with cash to burn on perpetual hardware investment. >> In fact, there are students, and yes, unemployed people. (we are in a depressed economy, you know) Their ppcs work just fine for them, and Adobe is prodding them to shell out thousands of dollars every few years, or beat it. >> That is rather heartless. >> Then there are those of us who are moving on to other careers, that don't pay so well, but are more satisfying. We continue to do a bit of work, but it simply would not make sense to buy the newest and greatest when what we have is in fine working order. >> Maybe Adobe doesn't mean to be evil, but they could at least wait until the economy is healthy before pulling what could only be called, in this economy, a bullying tactic. >> >> >> Apple did an architecture shift for better performance, managed a "universal" operating environment for 5 or 6 years, finally decides it's time to move on, and developers do the same...and this makes them evil? >> >> Sheesh. >> >> Carey >> >> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:49 AM, joe cafe wrote: >> >> > How evil can you get. >> > It isn't enough that Adobe updates its software so that it can't be used on PPCs. >> > Now, you can't view a new Flash movie. 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I know but it is not just A= dobe or Apple. It is part of the deal we made with the devil for faster, hig= her quality web video.

You can't single out any one= company. He should also complain to YouTube because the modern codecs they u= se are too data intensive to play back on my 1999 iMac. But I think that we c= an all agree that the codecs if today are way better than the Flash, Real Vi= deo and Quicklime we were able to watch in 1999.

To= complain that modern software and codecs need to be backward compatible put= s you firmly in the Microsoft arena and even they are trying to kill antiqua= ted browsers because they can't keep up.

Even the w= hole change to digital TV is part of this. By making analog TV's obsolete th= e industry forced everyone to upgrade.   I promise you that not one of t= he LCD's I'm using today will last anywhere near as long as my mother in law= s old Magnavox or Sony CRT. And just wait until all the TVs are Internet App= liances. 

I'm not saying that it is necessaril= y right, but at some point you have to face the reality that this is the way= it is. 

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse

On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Tony Hayes <tony@cleverbits.com> wrote:

=
I think you'll find Joe is annoyed= about adobe no longer updating flash on PPC macs, he has a point, as I foun= d out last year no one makes browsers for PPC macs either, Joe should actual= ly be pissed at apple, he wouldn't have this problem to anywhere near the sa= me extent if he owned a pc.

Tony



On 8 February 2012 18:40, Benny Christens= en <bennychr= istensen@me.com> wrote:
What you are complaining about, planned obsole= scence, is the basis of the whole computer industry. 

If you have a working computer with a working piece of software, yan= k it off the Internet, freeze it in time and work it until the transistors m= elt. There's no one stopping you. 

I have routinely waited and upgraded about every other t= ime Adobe or Apple thought I should. If I can afford the new thing and I fee= l that it will make me money I'll jump, otherwise I'll wait. 

There's no law that says you have to buy the latest labo= r saving, gee whiz piece of software. So just save your money and use what i= s working for you.

Benny Christensen
Producers Playhouse


On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM, joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

<On= Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com> wrote:
Wow, really?>

apologies for the delayed r= esponse.  You are assuming that everyone who wants to watch a Flash mov= ie is at the edge of motion graphics, with cash to burn on perpetual hardwar= e investment.
In fact, there are students, and yes, unemployed people. (we are in a depres= sed economy, you know)  Their ppcs work just fine for them, and Adobe i= s prodding them to shell out thousands of dollars every few years, or beat i= t.
That is rather heartless.
Then there are those of us who are m= oving on to other careers, that don't pay so well, but are  more satisf= ying.  We continue to do a bit of work, but it simply would not make se= nse to buy the newest and greatest when what we have is in fine working orde= r.

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