Return-Path: Received: from mail-bk0-f41.google.com ([209.85.214.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4619392 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 11:03:07 +0100 Received: by bkty12 with SMTP id y12so307396bkt.28 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:09:10 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.204.151.3 with SMTP id a3mr12410471bkw.34.1328695750590; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 02:09:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.204.36.198 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 02:09:10 -0800 (PST) X-Originating-IP: [203.214.41.37] In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:09:10 +1100 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe From: Tony Hayes To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0015175cd2b83a817f04b8711674 --0015175cd2b83a817f04b8711674 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I don't disagree with what you're saying, in an ideal world no one would hang on to a computer for much more than three years and for most of us here we probably don't, my only point was if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have no problems installing the latest version of flash, plus he'd still have a good choice of browsers to pick from, this isn't the case for a 6-7 year old PPC Mac. Tony On 8 February 2012 19:44, Benny Christensen wrote: > I know but it is not just Adobe or Apple. It is part of the deal we made > with the devil for faster, higher quality web video. > > You can't single out any one company. He should also complain to YouTube > because the modern codecs they use are too data intensive to play back on > my 1999 iMac. But I think that we can all agree that the codecs if today > are way better than the Flash, Real Video and Quicklime we were able to > watch in 1999. > > To complain that modern software and codecs need to be backward compatible > puts you firmly in the Microsoft arena and even they are trying to kill > antiquated browsers because they can't keep up. > > Even the whole change to digital TV is part of this. By making analog TV's > obsolete the industry forced everyone to upgrade. I promise you that not > one of the LCD's I'm using today will last anywhere near as long as my > mother in laws old Magnavox or Sony CRT. And just wait until all the TVs > are Internet Appliances. > > I'm not saying that it is necessarily right, but at some point you have to > face the reality that this is the way it is. > > Benny Christensen > Producers Playhouse > > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:04 AM, Tony Hayes wrote: > > I think you'll find Joe is annoyed about adobe no longer updating flash on > PPC macs, he has a point, as I found out last year no one makes browsers > for PPC macs either, Joe should actually be pissed at apple, he wouldn't > have this problem to anywhere near the same extent if he owned a pc. > > Tony > > > > On 8 February 2012 18:40, Benny Christensen wrote: > >> What you are complaining about, planned obsolescence, is the basis of the >> whole computer industry. >> >> If you have a working computer with a working piece of software, yank it >> off the Internet, freeze it in time and work it until the transistors melt. >> There's no one stopping you. >> >> I have routinely waited and upgraded about every other time Adobe or >> Apple thought I should. If I can afford the new thing and I feel that it >> will make me money I'll jump, otherwise I'll wait. >> >> There's no law that says you have to buy the latest labor saving, gee >> whiz piece of software. So just save your money and use what is working for >> you. >> >> Benny Christensen >> Producers Playhouse >> >> >> On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM, joe cafe wrote: >> >> >> wrote: >> >>> Wow, really?> >> >> >> apologies for the delayed response. You are assuming that everyone who >> wants to watch a Flash movie is at the edge of motion graphics, with cash >> to burn on perpetual hardware investment. >> In fact, there are students, and yes, unemployed people. (we are in a >> depressed economy, you know) Their ppcs work just fine for them, and Adobe >> is prodding them to shell out thousands of dollars every few years, or beat >> it. >> That is rather heartless. >> Then there are those of us who are moving on to other careers, that don't >> pay so well, but are more satisfying. We continue to do a bit of work, >> but it simply would not make sense to buy the newest and greatest when what >> we have is in fine working order. >> Maybe Adobe doesn't mean to be evil, but they could at least wait until >> the economy is healthy before pulling what could only be called, in this >> economy, a bullying tactic. >> >> >>> Apple did an architecture shift for better performance, managed a >>> "universal" operating environment for 5 or 6 years, finally decides it's >>> time to move on, and developers do the same...and this makes them evil? >>> >>> Sheesh. >>> >>> Carey >>> >>> On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:49 AM, joe cafe wrote: >>> >>> > How evil can you get. >>> > It isn't enough that Adobe updates its software so that it can't be >>> used on PPCs. >>> > Now, you can't view a new Flash movie. Adobe is not making Flash >>> updates for PPCs. >>> > >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> >> > --0015175cd2b83a817f04b8711674 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I don't disagree with what you're saying, in an ideal world no one = would hang on to a computer for much more than three years and for most of = us here we probably don't, my only point was if Joe had a 6-7 year old = PC he'd have no problems installing the latest version of flash, plus h= e'd still have a good choice of browsers to pick from, this isn't t= he case for a 6-7 year old PPC Mac.

Tony



On 8 February 20= 12 19:44, Benny Christensen <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
I know but it is not just Adobe or Apple. It = is part of the deal we made with the devil for faster, higher quality web v= ideo.

You can't single out any one company. He= should also complain to YouTube because the modern codecs they use are too= data intensive to play back on my 1999 iMac. But I think that we can all a= gree that the codecs if today are way better than the Flash, Real Video and= Quicklime we were able to watch in 1999.

To complain that modern software and codecs need to be = backward compatible puts you firmly in the Microsoft arena and even they ar= e trying to kill antiquated browsers because they can't keep up.

Even the whole change to digital TV is part of this. By= making analog TV's obsolete the industry forced everyone to upgrade. = =A0 I promise you that not one of the LCD's I'm using today will la= st anywhere near as long as my mother in laws old Magnavox or Sony CRT. And= just wait until all the TVs are Internet Appliances.=A0

I'm not saying that it is necessarily right, but at= some point you have to face the reality that this is the way it is.=A0

Benny Christensen
Pr= oducers Playhouse


On Feb 8= , 2012, at 2:04 AM, Tony Hayes <tony@cleverbits.com> wrote:

I think you'll find Joe is annoyed about adobe no longer updating = flash on PPC macs, he has a point, as I found out last year no one makes br= owsers for PPC macs either, Joe should actually be pissed at apple, he woul= dn't have this problem to anywhere near the same extent if he owned a p= c.

Tony



On 8 February 2012 18:40, Benny Christen= sen <bennychristensen@me.com> wrote:
What you are complaining about, planned obsol= escence, is the basis of the whole computer industry.=A0

If you have a working computer with a working piece of software, yan= k it off the Internet, freeze it in time and work it until the transistors = melt. There's no one stopping you.=A0

I have routinely waited and upgraded about every other = time Adobe or Apple thought I should. If I can afford the new thing and I f= eel that it will make me money I'll jump, otherwise I'll wait.=A0

There's no law that says you have to buy the latest= labor saving, gee whiz piece of software. So just save your money and use = what is working for you.

Benny Christensen
Producers Play= house


On Feb 7, 2012, at 10:39 PM, joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com= > wrote:

<= ;On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 1:15 PM, Carey Dissmore=A0<carey@imugonline.com= >=A0wrote:
Wow, really?>

apologies for the delayed= response. =A0You are assuming that everyone who wants to watch a Flash mov= ie is at the edge of motion graphics, with cash to burn on perpetual hardwa= re investment.
In fact, there are students, and yes, unemployed people. (we are in a depre= ssed economy, you know) =A0Their ppcs work just fine for them, and Adobe is= prodding them to shell out thousands of dollars every few years, or beat i= t.
That is rather heartless.
Then there are those of us who are= moving on to other careers, that don't pay so well, but are =A0more sa= tisfying. =A0We continue to do a bit of work, but it simply would not make = sense to buy the newest and greatest when what we have is in fine working o= rder.
Maybe Adobe doesn't mean to be evil, but they could at least wait = until the economy is healthy before pulling what could only be called, in t= his economy, a bullying tactic.


Apple did an architecture shift for better performance, managed a "uni= versal" operating environment for 5 or 6 years, finally decides it'= ;s time to move on, and developers do the same...and this makes them evil?<= br>
Sheesh.

Carey

On Feb 4, 2012, at 11:49 AM, joe cafe wrote:

> How evil can you get.
> It isn't enough that Adobe updates its software so that it can'= ;t be used on PPCs.
> Now, you can't view a new Flash movie. =A0Adobe is not making Flas= h updates for PPCs.
>


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