Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4620502 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:43:30 +0100 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1328730573-0439c312818864d0001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS1.slcc.int (vcas1.slcc.int [10.1.11.52]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id 87kXvS6z7ECCyZ4G for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:49:33 -0700 (MST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS1.slcc.int ([fe80::5023:faf7:26da:d5bf%11]) with mapi; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:49:33 -0700 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:49:31 -0700 Subject: RE: [AE] F*k You Adobe Thread-Topic: [AE] F*k You Adobe X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] F*k You Adobe Thread-Index: Aczmk02CO0slUIv1SNmuahdI1848mQABg6Wg Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A5913843BD2EXCHslccint_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas1.slcc.int[10.1.11.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1328730573 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.87989 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message --_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A5913843BD2EXCHslccint_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nah, nobody would use it for professional or broadcast work, what with its = scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw all the RAM and processors you = can afford at it), ability to work natively with all professional camera (a= nd many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, ability to hand off GPU processin= g to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage differing pixel aspects and fra= merates on the same timeline.....and all of this in a nearly render-free (f= or timeline playback) environment. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= James Culbertson Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:56 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I assume= so, I hear people talk about it now and again on the internet, but I've ne= ver actually met anyone who uses it on larger more intensive projects. In f= act I don't know any editors locally who use it for professional work at al= l. Is it ever used for Broadcast work? Are there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'd love to = hear from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger projects, ra= ther than someone who has only used Premiere. I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute corporate p= iece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite stable and snappy co= mpared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past. Thanks, James On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49 AM, John Morgan wrote: There was that historical thing with Premiere. Random crashes, occasional (= seldom) corruption entering into the project bringing the need to import th= e corrupt project into a new project, or having to cut/paste contents from = a corrupt sequence into another.....saving the project to a new filename. = I've seen all that stuff in the 9 years I've used it. It's gone now. It's been gone since the move to 64-bit....since CS5. Always= good to look at the historical perspective, but don't let history cripple = you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making systems scalable, Adobe's intelli= gent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes, all come together to make Premiere= a truly high-end stable editing platform. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Glenn Ferguson Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe Could you please elaborate on that statement? From: brand standard Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe historically, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption. it's the = one thing that keeps me away from premiere. ________________________________ From: joe cafe > To: After Effects Mail List > Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:55 AM Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe I've had no problems with my ppc browser. Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the family has priority= over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on the web. If you want video to be seen by everybody, Flash is best avoided. 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Nah, nobo= dy would use it for professional or broadcast work, what with its scalable = 64-bit architecture (meaning throw all the RAM and processors you can affor= d at it), ability to work natively with all professional camera (and many p= ro-sumer) codecs and file types, ability to hand off GPU processing to CUDA= -approved cards, ability to manage differing pixel aspects and framerates o= n the same timeline…..and all of this in a nearly render-free (for ti= meline playback) environment.

 

John=

 

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@medi= a-motion.tv] On Behalf Of James Culbertson
Sent: Wednesday= , February 08, 2012 11:56 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Su= bject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe

 

Is Premiere bei= ng used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I assume so, I hear peo= ple talk about it now and again on the internet, but I've never actually me= t anyone who uses it on larger more intensive projects. In fact I don't kno= w any editors locally who use it for professional work at all.

 

Is it ever used for Broadcast work?

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Ar= e there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'd love to he= ar from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger projects, rath= er than someone who has only used Premiere.

 

I got c= alled in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute corporate piece st= arted by a communications manager. Seemed quite stable and snappy compared = to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past.

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Th= anks,

 

James

 

 

On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49 AM, John Morgan wro= te:



There was that historical thing with Premier= e. Random crashes, occasional (seldom) corruption entering into the project= bringing the need to import the corrupt project into a new project, or hav= ing to cut/paste contents from a corrupt sequence into another…..savi= ng the project to a new filename.  I’ve seen all that stuff in t= he 9 years I’ve used it.

 

It’s gone now. It’s been gone since the move to 64-bit&= #8230;.since CS5. Always good to look at the historical perspective, but do= n’t let history cripple you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making sys= tems scalable, Adobe’s intelligent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes= , all come together to make Premiere a truly high-end stable editing platfo= rm.

 

John

 

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Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM
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Subje= ct: Re: [AE] F*k You Ad= obe

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Could you please elaborate on that statement?

 

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Subject: = R= e: [AE] F*k You Adobe

 

historically, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption. = ;  it's the one thing that keeps me away from premiere.

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I've had no problems with my ppc browser.

Once again, fo= r 99% of the population, the needs of the family has priority over spending= thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on the web.

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If you want video to be seen by e= verybody, Flash is best avoided.

 

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Tony Hayes <tony@cleverbits.com> wrot= e:

if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have n= o problems installing the latest version of flash.

 

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