Return-Path: Received: from mail-tul01m020-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4620517 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 20:55:50 +0100 Received: by obbta7 with SMTP id ta7so1335441obb.28 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:01:52 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=UpPeUZxHUB7yeD51PFqIM+wk6GQ+GuL69RMX9FNtAvs=; b=JWgcVf6XjnlYN2mH/rBZJNEG/BeBCXLo5in6joI9THf/MfserXGSkJW0rFTNSLOsbP VQkDqaktv71wExnNz8JxBfIFSLoBA3G4aR0u86LlQwWjN7pMZiMwMl5akg3pTNRn0y1n qAz6lZKys0OcllPYohuHOb83APVugYd2J1+cA= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.89.7 with SMTP id bk7mr27171218obb.15.1328731312323; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.39.198 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:01:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.182.39.198 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:01:52 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:01:52 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe From: Teddy Gage To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f088df7c7604b8795de7 --f46d0447f088df7c7604b8795de7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Yeah seriously its awful!!! I only cut on iMovie. Although hilariously I did see a job posting seeking an iMovie "editor" recently. "Must be competent in iPhoto as well" hahahaha On Feb 8, 2012 2:50 PM, "John Morgan" wrote: > Nah, nobody would use it for professional or broadcast work, what with it= s > scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw all the RAM and processors yo= u > can afford at it), ability to work natively with all professional camera > (and many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, ability to hand off GPU > processing to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage differing pixel > aspects and framerates on the same timeline=85..and all of this in a near= ly > render-free (for timeline playback) environment.**** > > ** ** > > John**** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *James Culbertson > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:56 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > ** ** > > Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I > assume so, I hear people talk about it now and again on the internet, but > I've never actually met anyone who uses it on larger more intensive > projects. In fact I don't know any editors locally who use it for > professional work at all.**** > > ** ** > > Is it ever used for Broadcast work?**** > > ** ** > > Are there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'd love t= o > hear from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger projects, > rather than someone who has only used Premiere.**** > > ** ** > > I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute corporate > piece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite stable and snappy > compared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past.**** > > ** ** > > Thanks,**** > > ** ** > > James**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:**** > > > > **** > > There was that historical thing with Premiere. Random crashes, occasional > (seldom) corruption entering into the project bringing the need to import > the corrupt project into a new project, or having to cut/paste contents > from a corrupt sequence into another=85..saving the project to a new > filename. I=92ve seen all that stuff in the 9 years I=92ve used it.**** > > **** > > It=92s gone now. It=92s been gone since the move to 64-bit=85.since CS5. = Always > good to look at the historical perspective, but don=92t let history cripp= le > you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making systems scalable, Adobe=92s > intelligent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes, all come together to make > Premiere a truly high-end stable editing platform.**** > > **** > > John**** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Glenn Ferguson > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > Could you please elaborate on that statement?**** > > **** > > *From:* brand standard **** > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM**** > > *To:* After Effects Mail List **** > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > historically, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption. it's th= e > one thing that keeps me away from premiere.**** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* joe cafe > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > I've had no problems with my ppc browser.**** > > Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the family has > priority over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on > the web.**** > > If you want video to be seen by everybody, Flash is best avoided.**** > > **** > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Tony Hayes wrote:**= * > * > > if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have no problems installing the latest > version of flash.**** > > **** > > **** > > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential > or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. 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Yeah seriously its awful!!! I only cut on iMovie.

Although hilariously I did see a job posting seeking an iMovie "edi= tor" recently. "Must be competent in iPhoto as well" hahahah= a

On Feb 8, 2012 2:50 PM, "John Morgan" = <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wr= ote:

Nah, nobody would use it for professional or= broadcast work, what with its scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw = all the RAM and processors you can afford at it), ability to work natively = with all professional camera (and many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, ab= ility to hand off GPU processing to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage = differing pixel aspects and framerates on the same timeline=85..and all of = this in a nearly render-free (for timeline playback) environment.=

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John

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From: After Ef= fects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of James Culberts= on
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:56 AM
To: After Effe= cts Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe

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Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I assume= so, I hear people talk about it now and again on the internet, but I'v= e never actually met anyone who uses it on larger more intensive projects. = In fact I don't know any editors locally who use it for professional wo= rk at all.

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Is it ever used for Broadcast work?

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Are there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'= ;d love to hear from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger p= rojects, rather than someone who has only used Premiere.

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I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 min= ute corporate piece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite stabl= e and snappy compared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past.<= u>

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Thanks,

<= u>=A0

James

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On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49= AM, John Morgan wrote:


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There was that = historical thing with Premiere. Random crashes, occasional (seldom) corrupt= ion entering into the project bringing the need to import the corrupt proje= ct into a new project, or having to cut/paste contents from a corrupt seque= nce into another=85..saving the project to a new filename.=A0 I=92ve seen a= ll that stuff in the 9 years I=92ve used it.

=A0<= /u>

= It=92s gone now. It=92s been gone since the move to 64-bit=85.since CS5. Al= ways good to look at the historical perspective, but don=92t let history cr= ipple you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making systems scalable, Adobe=92s= intelligent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes, all come together to make = Premiere a truly high-end stable editing platform.

=A0<= /u>

= John

=A0<= /u>

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Sent:=A0Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM

Subject:=A0Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe

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historically, adobe has always s= eemed vulnerable to corruption.=A0=A0 it's the one thing that keeps me = away from premiere.

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From:= =A0joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com>
To:=A0After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=A0
Sent:=A0Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:5= 5 AM
Subject:=A0Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe<= /p>

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I've had no problems with my ppc brows= er.

Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the family has prio= rity over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on the we= b.

If you want video to be seen b= y everybody, Flash is best avoided.

=

=A0

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Tony Hayes=A0<tony@cleverbits.com>=A0wrote:<= u>

if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have no p= roblems installing the latest version of flash.

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