Return-Path: Received: from mail-we0-f169.google.com ([74.125.82.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4620549 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 21:33:23 +0100 Received: by wera13 with SMTP id a13so740040wer.28 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :content-type; bh=F7t2EgDZYDsGv7s88jvSTk7OVGBkqwjeJcfSjvPmcJg=; b=PmdNkF6Li9CNnNkWg6kf9j/+n/WkQcoBMx/u6ZU4jlF4RWMn8o84ykO0RsfIRQkKtP rW3BeBAvAWoWzaPGEnWIouw8fwVo5vWkPc+BCp7u2I01GI6C4bRxz+JsCwVpjn2jaUub v9HwYNg4EwEqirbYAER7K6o+Egmen4MYNqsg0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.132.139 with SMTP id o11mr7187934wei.32.1328733566771; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.216.26.80 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:39:26 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 15:39:26 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Love You Adobe From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6de04073fa3e804b879e440 --0016e6de04073fa3e804b879e440 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you quickly save out a sequence to a quicktime yet from Pr like you can in FCP? or is rendering the whole thing out the only option? On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM, John Morgan wrote: > Sorry for my snarkiness. J As I understand, FCPX still doesn=92t work wit= h > native file types and still forces background rendering because of > commitment to a proprietary codec. I watched the roll-out demo on YouTube= , > specifically looking for those things and didn=92t see them. My longest > project rarely exceeds 30 mins so according to your definition I=92m not > qualified to answer. But I DO use Pr on an HP Z800 box with dual quad-cor= e > Xeon i7=92s which net 16 processor cores in hyperthreaded mode, and > Pr/Ae/En/AME use all 16 at between 70% and 100%, depending on the type of > function underway. I do have a Quadro FX 4800 CUDA card and I do have a > 16-drive (RAID 5) Rorke Data Galaxy HDX2 (via 4Gb fiber channel) attached= , > and a Matrox MXO2LE system for HD overlay on an external monitor. This > system can playback more than 20 layers of native P2 or Sony .mxf video, > effects, Ae exports and FX in real time without pre-rendering the > timeline. The system is rock solid and I would trust it all the way acro= ss > Australia for any length of project. Currently using Pr 5.5.2.**** > > ** ** > > No FCP user has ever watched my 20-layer demo project and gone away > telling me his pixels are better. (An old personal joke dating back to th= e > mac vs pc wars of the =9190s.)**** > > John**** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *James Culbertson > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:06 PM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > ** ** > > Your description of Premiere could be confused with a description of FCPX > ...my point being that just throwing out a bunch of specs doesn't guarant= ee > an app is ready for the most intensive projects in the real world.**** > > ** ** > > Again, I assume it is ready for these type of projects. I just had not > heard any reports from the trenches from editors who also use AVID/FCP7 o= n > a daily basis.**** > > ** ** > > Would you buy/rent a vehicle for a drive across the Australian outback > based purely on a car makers specs, or would you want to talk to folks wh= o > have already made the drive?**** > > ** ** > > James**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:**** > > > > **** > > Nah, nobody would use it for professional or broadcast work, what with it= s > scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw all the RAM and processors yo= u > can afford at it), ability to work natively with all professional camera > (and many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, ability to hand off GPU > processing to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage differing pixel > aspects and framerates on the same timeline=85..and all of this in a near= ly > render-free (for timeline playback) environment.**** > > **** > > John**** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *James Culbertson > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:56 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I > assume so, I hear people talk about it now and again on the internet, but > I've never actually met anyone who uses it on larger more intensive > projects. In fact I don't know any editors locally who use it for > professional work at all.**** > > **** > > Is it ever used for Broadcast work?**** > > **** > > Are there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'd love t= o > hear from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger projects, > rather than someone who has only used Premiere.**** > > **** > > I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute corporate > piece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite stable and snappy > compared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past.**** > > **** > > Thanks,**** > > **** > > James**** > > **** > > **** > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:**** > > > > > **** > > There was that historical thing with Premiere. Random crashes, occasional > (seldom) corruption entering into the project bringing the need to import > the corrupt project into a new project, or having to cut/paste contents > from a corrupt sequence into another=85..saving the project to a new > filename. I=92ve seen all that stuff in the 9 years I=92ve used it.**** > > **** > > It=92s gone now. It=92s been gone since the move to 64-bit=85.since CS5. = Always > good to look at the historical perspective, but don=92t let history cripp= le > you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making systems scalable, Adobe=92s > intelligent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes, all come together to make > Premiere a truly high-end stable editing platform.**** > > **** > > John**** > > **** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *Glenn Ferguson > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > Could you please elaborate on that statement?**** > > **** > > *From:* brand standard **** > > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM**** > > *To:* After Effects Mail List **** > > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > historically, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption. it's th= e > one thing that keeps me away from premiere.**** > ------------------------------ > > *From:* joe cafe > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:55 AM > *Subject:* Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe**** > > **** > > I've had no problems with my ppc browser.**** > > Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the family has > priority over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on > the web.**** > > If you want video to be seen by everybody, Flash is best avoided.**** > > **** > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Tony Hayes wrote:**= * > * > > if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have no problems installing the latest > version of flash.**** > > **** > > **** > > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential > or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader o= f > this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that a= ny > unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this > message is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail and any > attachments from your system. =AD=AD **** > > **** > > ** ** > --=20 danny princz exposedideas.com --0016e6de04073fa3e804b879e440 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable can you quickly save out a sequence to a quicktime yet from Pr like you can= in FCP?
or is rendering the whole thing out the only option?


On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:24 PM, Jo= hn Morgan <Joh= n.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:

Sorry for my = snarkiness. J As I understand, FCPX stil= l doesn=92t work with native file types and still forces background renderi= ng because of commitment to a proprietary codec. I watched the roll-out dem= o on YouTube, specifically looking for those things and didn=92t see them.= =A0 My longest project rarely exceeds 30 mins so according to your definiti= on I=92m not qualified to answer. But I DO use Pr on an HP Z800 box with du= al quad-core Xeon i7=92s which net 16 processor cores in hyperthreaded mode= , and Pr/Ae/En/AME use all 16 at between 70% and 100%, depending on the typ= e of function underway. I do have a Quadro FX 4800 CUDA card and I do have = a 16-drive (RAID 5) Rorke Data Galaxy HDX2 (via 4Gb fiber channel) attached= , and a=A0 Matrox MXO2LE system for HD overlay on an external monitor. This= system can playback more than 20 layers of native P2 or Sony .mxf video, e= ffects, Ae exports and FX in real time without pre-rendering the timeline.= =A0 The system is rock solid and I would trust it all the way across Austra= lia for any length of project. Currently using Pr 5.5.2.

=A0<= /p>

No FCP user has ever w= atched my 20-layer demo project and gone away telling me his pixels are bet= ter. (An old personal joke dating back to the mac vs pc wars of the =9190s.= )

John=

=A0

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Ja= mes Culbertson
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:06 PM
To: After Effec= ts Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe=

=A0

Your description of Premiere could be confused with a description of FCPX .= ..my point being that just throwing out a bunch of specs doesn't guaran= tee an app is ready for the most intensive projects in the real world.

=A0

Again, I assume it is ready for these type of projects. I ju= st had not heard any reports from the trenches from editors who also use AV= ID/FCP7 on a daily basis.

=A0

Would you buy/rent a vehicle for a drive across the Australi= an outback based purely on a car makers specs, or would you want to talk to= folks who have already made the drive?

=A0

James

= =A0

=A0

On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:



Nah, nobody would use it for professional or = broadcast work, what with its scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw a= ll the RAM and processors you can afford at it), ability to work natively w= ith all professional camera (and many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, abi= lity to hand off GPU processing to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage d= iffering pixel aspects and framerates on the same timeline=85..and all of t= his in a nearly render-free (for timeline playback) environment.<= /u>

=A0<= /u>

= John

=A0<= /u>




From:=A0After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.= tv]=A0On Behalf Of=A0Glenn Ferguson Sent:=A0Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM
To:<= /b>=A0After Effects Mail List
Subject:=A0Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe

=A0

Could you please elaborate on that statement?=

= =A0

From:=A0brand standard

Sent:=A0Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM

Subject:=A0= Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe

=A0<= /u>

historical= ly, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption.=A0=A0 it's the on= e thing that keeps me away from premiere.

From:=A0joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com>
To:=A0After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=A0
Sent:=A0Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:5= 5 AM
Subject:=A0Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe<= /p>

=A0

=

I've had no problems with my ppc = browser.

Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the= family has priority over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flas= h movs on the web.

If you want video t= o be seen by everybody, Flash is best avoided.

=A0

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM,= Tony Hayes=A0<= tony@cleverbits.com>=A0wrote:

if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have= no problems installing the latest version of flash.

=A0=

=A0


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