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Subject: Re: [AE] Love You Adobe
From: James Culbertson <albion@speakeasy.net>
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Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 13:00:51 -0800
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30 minutes is still a good data point. Thanks for the feedback.

And just for the record, FCPX does playback natively everything I have =
thrown at it so far (on my 4.5 year old first generation dualcore MacPro =
with upgraded ATI Radeon HD 5770). Certainly all H.264/MPEG4/AVCHD =
variants of any SD/HD resolution or frame rate (and all legacy formats =
of course). Only exception I can think of is XDCAM at this point. I =
initially followed Apple's recommendation of transcoding to proRes but =
have found that for short projects at least I don't really need to -- I =
imagine this will be especially true for newer Macs.

I don't think I will be doing 20-layers on my old MacPro with any =
existing editing app though. Time to upgrade my hardware.

James


On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:24 PM, John Morgan wrote:

> Sorry for my snarkiness. J As I understand, FCPX still doesn=92t work =
with native file types and still forces background rendering because of =
commitment to a proprietary codec. I watched the roll-out demo on =
YouTube, specifically looking for those things and didn=92t see them.  =
My longest project rarely exceeds 30 mins so according to your =
definition I=92m not qualified to answer. But I DO use Pr on an HP Z800 =
box with dual quad-core Xeon i7=92s which net 16 processor cores in =
hyperthreaded mode, and Pr/Ae/En/AME use all 16 at between 70% and 100%, =
depending on the type of function underway. I do have a Quadro FX 4800 =
CUDA card and I do have a 16-drive (RAID 5) Rorke Data Galaxy HDX2 (via =
4Gb fiber channel) attached, and a  Matrox MXO2LE system for HD overlay =
on an external monitor. This system can playback more than 20 layers of =
native P2 or Sony .mxf video, effects, Ae exports and FX in real time =
without pre-rendering the timeline.  The system is rock solid and I =
would trust it all the way across Australia for any length of project. =
Currently using Pr 5.5.2.
> =20
> No FCP user has ever watched my 20-layer demo project and gone away =
telling me his pixels are better. (An old personal joke dating back to =
the mac vs pc wars of the =9190s.)
> John
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> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On =
Behalf Of James Culbertson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:06 PM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe
> =20
> Your description of Premiere could be confused with a description of =
FCPX ...my point being that just throwing out a bunch of specs doesn't =
guarantee an app is ready for the most intensive projects in the real =
world.
> =20
> Again, I assume it is ready for these type of projects. I just had not =
heard any reports from the trenches from editors who also use AVID/FCP7 =
on a daily basis.
> =20
> Would you buy/rent a vehicle for a drive across the Australian outback =
based purely on a car makers specs, or would you want to talk to folks =
who have already made the drive?
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> James
> =20
> =20
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 11:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:
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> Nah, nobody would use it for professional or broadcast work, what with =
its scalable 64-bit architecture (meaning throw all the RAM and =
processors you can afford at it), ability to work natively with all =
professional camera (and many pro-sumer) codecs and file types, ability =
to hand off GPU processing to CUDA-approved cards, ability to manage =
differing pixel aspects and framerates on the same timeline=85..and all =
of this in a nearly render-free (for timeline playback) environment.
> =20
> John
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> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On =
Behalf Of James Culbertson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 11:56 AM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe
> =20
> Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? I =
assume so, I hear people talk about it now and again on the internet, =
but I've never actually met anyone who uses it on larger more intensive =
projects. In fact I don't know any editors locally who use it for =
professional work at all.
> =20
> Is it ever used for Broadcast work?
> =20
> Are there any drawbacks at this point compared to AVID or FCP? I'd =
love to hear from someone who has used Premiere and FCP/AVID on larger =
projects, rather than someone who has only used Premiere.
> =20
> I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute =
corporate piece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite stable =
and snappy compared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years past.
> =20
> Thanks,
> =20
> James
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> =20
> On Feb 8, 2012, at 7:49 AM, John Morgan wrote:
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> There was that historical thing with Premiere. Random crashes, =
occasional (seldom) corruption entering into the project bringing the =
need to import the corrupt project into a new project, or having to =
cut/paste contents from a corrupt sequence into another=85..saving the =
project to a new filename.  I=92ve seen all that stuff in the 9 years =
I=92ve used it.
> =20
> It=92s gone now. It=92s been gone since the move to 64-bit=85.since =
CS5. Always good to look at the historical perspective, but don=92t let =
history cripple you. Taking the lid off RAM usage, making systems =
scalable, Adobe=92s intelligent memory manager, CUDA GPU processes, all =
come together to make Premiere a truly high-end stable editing platform.
> =20
> John
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> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On =
Behalf Of Glenn Ferguson
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:29 AM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe
> =20
> Could you please elaborate on that statement?
> =20
> From: brand standard
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe
> =20
> historically, adobe has always seemed vulnerable to corruption.   it's =
the one thing that keeps me away from premiere.
> From: joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com>
> To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>=20
> Sent: Wednesday, February 8, 2012 6:55 AM
> Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe
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> I've had no problems with my ppc browser.
> Once again, for 99% of the population, the needs of the family has =
priority over spending thousands for new hardware to watch Flash movs on =
the web.
> If you want video to be seen by everybody, Flash is best avoided.
> =20
> On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 5:09 AM, Tony Hayes <tony@cleverbits.com> =
wrote:
> if Joe had a 6-7 year old PC he'd have no problems installing the =
latest version of flash.
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