Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4620771 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 01:48:19 +0100 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1328748861-0439c3128288cc00001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS2.slcc.int (vcas2.slcc.int [10.1.11.53]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id QiG1a2qq9ZX1gmxQ for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 17:54:21 -0700 (MST) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS2.slcc.int ([fe80::8031:551b:9a53:7716%11]) with mapi; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:54:22 -0700 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 17:52:05 -0700 Subject: RE: [AE] Love You Adobe Thread-Topic: [AE] Love You Adobe X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] Love You Adobe Thread-Index: Aczmuql4CMOFZ6k1SViktmLQbQ+KVQACmHEt Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas2.slcc.int[10.1.11.53] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1328748861 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests= X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.88007 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- Appreciate the explanation. Not sure I understand why anyone would want/nee= d the option of working with native footage OR a proxy if the native proces= ses offer render-free timeline playback during editing. John ________________________________________ From: After Effects Mail List [AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of James = Culbertson [albion@speakeasy.net] Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 4:37 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Love You Adobe As Eric mentioned there are two different possible background processes goi= ng on that you can turn on or off and control in various ways including cod= ec type of course. 1. You can choose whether to transcode in the background any native source= video to an intermediate like Prores on ingest of source footage (or later= at any time during the edit; FCPX also unwraps source footage automaticall= y if necessary). Whether you are transcoding source or not, you can immedia= tely begin to playback and/or edit with the footage. When the footage is do= ne transcoding FCPX seamlessly starts to use the optimized transcodes rathe= r than the native footage. You can delete the intermediate footage at any t= ime and go back to using the original native source. 2. You can turn on or off background rendering in the timeline (or in compo= und clips) of effects, composites, and other clip modifications. But if you= turn off background rendering you can still playback the timeline without = rendering. Even on my old MacPro I can edit most everyday type of projects = without rendering (couple of composited clips with or without alpha, titles= , graphics, effects and color correction on each clip, audio effects). I di= d try compositing 20 1080p clips together which was easy to do when the pla= yhead was parked, but my old mac choked on playback, so there are limits de= pending upon your CPU/GPU combo. I'll be curious to upgrade my CPU and test= this again. James On Feb 8, 2012, at 2:34 PM, John Morgan wrote: > Thanks James. > So just to clarify what I thought I saw during the FCPX rollout, one of t= he "selling points" in the demo that I watched was that "now all this rende= ring can occur in the background during low-use CPU cycles." If that means= a background encode/render to a ProRes or other proxy is going on in the b= ackground, then that is still not "working with files natively" in my book.= Premiere has no background render processes that occur automatically unles= s the user starts a render process for exporting. In Pr, with a system like= mine, no rendering ever needs to occur in the background. All native files= stay native and do not change during the edit. > > John > > -----Original Message----- > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of James Culbertson > Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:01 PM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] Love You Adobe > > 30 minutes is still a good data point. Thanks for the feedback. > > And just for the record, FCPX does playback natively everything I have th= rown at it so far (on my 4.5 year old first generation dualcore MacPro with= upgraded ATI Radeon HD 5770). Certainly all H.264/MPEG4/AVCHD variants of = any SD/HD resolution or frame rate (and all legacy formats of course). Only= exception I can think of is XDCAM at this point. I initially followed Appl= e's recommendation of transcoding to proRes but have found that for short p= rojects at least I don't really need to -- I imagine this will be especiall= y true for newer Macs. > > I don't think I will be doing 20-layers on my old MacPro with any existin= g editing app though. Time to upgrade my hardware. > > James > > > > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the ad= dressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential or = otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader of th= is e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any u= nauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this messag= e is prohibited. 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