Return-Path: Received: from mail-tul01m020-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4620858 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 03:51:26 +0100 Received: by obbta7 with SMTP id ta7so1832942obb.28 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:57:29 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=qkMA1JdJdp+L1MeDval63bcLFnoUx5XaJyYB2ez5zYk=; b=Fy2nozxlJnKVDX1NgY1FDXvZ9Lnr0qLXJk8I7/1Amrkobxy95K68ra69kM6elH4QyK phamKK6WLpp7GdR60xDmhuU7GxVLLsfMGMxVDocTEGeLQpdSjzX4qFuRZa1BbGc0Qxeq w9A8N6Q6J3Hz4ItUjn3onR9bZcSNzZlLaH/9s= Received: by 10.182.89.7 with SMTP id bk7mr28343154obb.15.1328756249296; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 18:57:29 -0800 (PST) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.39.198 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 18:56:49 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 21:56:49 -0500 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Love You Adobe To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d0447f0883b80e104b87f2ce0 --f46d0447f0883b80e104b87f2ce0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is interesting. Approaching the thread as a VFX artist who uses NLE's more of a means to an end, I have to say I end up going back and forth through quicktime a LOT. My clients primarily demand QT's either in animation with alpha or H264. I do a ton of work offsite through vimeo pro: I like the interface and its familiar for clients. Also has nice grouping and password features. I find their conversion of h264 much better than youtube as well. I am also primarily a PC user as the cost / performance ratio for VFX is much better as an individual. Not to mention I can service, break down, upgrade and repair all of my systems. I will output a raw AVI for rendering and then transcode on premiere to H264, animation or lossless .mov. Have never had a problem with this system other than the occasional h264 gamma issue. But of course like John Morgan says I do more work start-to-finish than take on entrenched projects and hand-offs, but so far it works great. On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rendernyc wrote: > Woops. By gotcha I meant that I understand. Not that I win or something > > > > On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:25 PM, John Morgan wrote: > > Not to hijack anyone=92s thread, but for me this is an interesting > discussion. Look at this from the PC side for a moment. Some perspective > from two angles.**** > > 1) Though I have QT installed as a means of viewing .mov files > outside of Premiere, exporting to Quicktime is a very random/seldom thing > for me. QT is not a delivery method I use. I do purchase various animated > backgrounds that often are in QT format, then import and work with them i= n > Pr render-free like any other codec/file type. But QT is not a =93workflo= w=94 > for me. But if it was, the export to .mov format via 16 processors goes > very fast.**** > > 2) Interesting that you say =93gotcha.=94 For that thing (in this ca= se) > that FCP does well=85perhaps quicker or maybe even render free as you all= ude, > Pr on my system accelerates or is render free on a quantum of other > processes (editing in general) such that at the end of the day a > productivity comparison of the two systems might be substantially > different. In that sense there is the risk of spending a dollar to earn a > dime, so to speak.**** > > ** ** > > Productivity using Pr on equally configured mac and PC would be identical= . > **** > > ** ** > > John**** > > ** ** > > *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On > Behalf Of *rendernyc > *Sent:* Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:53 PM > > *To:* After Effects Mail List > *Subject:* Re: [AE] Love You Adobe**** > > ** ** > > gotcha.**** > > ** ** > > i did a quick edit in pr a month or so ago to try it out.**** > > this was the one thing that really put a damper on my workflow**** > > ** ** > > being able to quickly get a QT without rendering is important for me at > least**** > > ** ** > > ** ** > > On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:42 PM, John Morgan wrote:= * > *** > > No. For me, no reason to. I use H.264 (.mp4) as my standard export of > choice. So there ya go. Stick with FCP!**** > > John**** > > ** ** > > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the > addressee and may contain information that is privileged and confidential > or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If the reader o= f > this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that a= ny > unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution or reproduction of this > message is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, > please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this e-mail and any > attachments from your system. =AD=AD > > --=20 Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --f46d0447f0883b80e104b87f2ce0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable This is interesting. Approaching the thread as a VFX artist who uses NLE= 9;s more of a means to an end, I have to say I end up going back and forth = through quicktime a LOT. My clients primarily demand QT's either in ani= mation with alpha or H264. I do a ton of work offsite through vimeo pro: I = like the interface and its familiar for clients. Also has nice grouping and= password features. I find their conversion of h264 much better than youtub= e as well. I am also primarily a PC user as the cost / performance ratio fo= r VFX is much better as an individual. Not to mention I can service, break = down, upgrade and repair all of my systems. I will output a raw AVI for ren= dering and then transcode on premiere to H264, animation or lossless .mov. = Have never had a problem with this system other than the occasional h264 ga= mma issue. But of course like John Morgan says I do more work start-to-fini= sh than take on entrenched projects and hand-offs, but so far it works grea= t.

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 9:39 PM, Rendernyc <rendernyc@gmail.= com> wrote:
Woops. By gotcha I meant that I understand. N= ot that I win or something


<= br>On Feb 8, 2012, at 5:25 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:

Not to hijack any= one=92s thread, but for me this is an interesting discussion. Look at this = from the PC side for a moment. Some perspective from two angles.<= /u>

1)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Though I have QT installed as a means of viewing .mov files outside = of Premiere, exporting to Quicktime is a very random/seldom thing for me. Q= T is not a delivery method I use. I do purchase various animated background= s that often are in QT format, then import and work with them in Pr render-= free like any other codec/file type. But QT is not a =93workflow=94 for me.= But =A0if it was, the export to .mov format via 16 processors goes very fa= st.

2)=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 Interesting that you say =93gotcha.=94 For that thing (in this case)= that FCP does well=85perhaps quicker or maybe even render free as you allu= de, Pr on my system accelerates or is render free on a quantum of other pro= cesses (editing in general) such that at the end of the day a productivity = comparison of the two systems might be substantially different. In that sen= se there is the risk of spending a dollar to earn a dime, so to speak.

=A0<= /p>

Productivity using Pr on equally = configured mac and PC would be identical.

=A0<= /p>

John

=A0<= /p>

From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of render= nyc
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 1:53 PM


To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] Love = You Adobe

=A0

gotcha.

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i= did a quick edit in pr a month or so ago to try it out.

<= /div>

this was the one thing that really put a damper on m= y workflow

=A0=

being able to quickly get a= QT without rendering is important for me at least

=A0

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On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 3:42 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu= > wrote:

No. For me, no reason to. I use H.264 (.mp4) as my standard export of ch= oice. So there ya go. Stick with FCP!

John<= u>

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