Return-Path: Received: from gateway01.websitewelcome.com ([69.41.248.83] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4620891 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 09 Feb 2012 04:55:46 +0100 Received: by gateway01.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 85D215C40EB5D; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from gator1184.hostgator.com (gator1184.hostgator.com [174.121.151.98]) by gateway01.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7A3AB5C40EB3D for ; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 22:01:49 -0600 (CST) Received: from [24.167.166.243] (port=57402 helo=Neptune) by gator1184.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RvLCf-0005lu-1f for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 22:01:49 -0600 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] F*k You Adobe Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 23:01:50 -0500 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <01bc01cce6df$8d18f3e0$a74adba0$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CCE6B5.A44A17D0" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQF58QtmJzMAyS5KVF8i9WjtMef1EJbZ2HjA Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1184.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: cpe-024-167-166-243.triad.res.rr.com (Neptune) [24.167.166.243]:57402 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IxMTg0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CCE6B5.A44A17D0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Sure it is, but then so is Avid, Edius, Final Cut, Lightworks, Smoke, and I am sure others. Please don't forget the "chip-on-the-shoulder NLE" Vegas. FCPx has borrowed heavily from Vegas for a number of its "ground-breaking features". It weird to many read all the FCPx users waxing rhapsodic about this or that that has been available in Vegas for many years. V11 even has a magnetic timeline event that is far more predictable and controllable than FCPx but within a very sophisticated track-based system with nesting and grouping tracks. The only real thing FCPx has over it is meta-data - Vegas has had a metadata media manager for over 5 years but it's a basic tag based system without the visual analyses stuff FCPx offers. Of course, Vegas has bins and traditional media management and auto-relinking and collect to output. I dumped Premiere back in 2001 for Vegas and never looked back. Vegas now is pretty kick ass NLE - got much of the CPU and GPU accelerated performance of Premiere (in fact faster with some codecs than Mercury Engine). It was first with a bunch of features, it's been 64-bit for years, added stereoscopic editing, native Red support and dozens of other features long before anyone else in its price range. Plus it's audio tools put every other NLE to shame - it started its life as a DAW. Plus is not hardware dependent and still runs well on old machines. It's got some flaws much of it due to mediocre support from hardware and 3-party plugs but because it's deceptively simple, it's used by prosumers but has really deep power (it was the first NLE with 4K 32-bit color support that I could preview 4K IMAX sequences in several versions ago). Of course, when Sony bought it from Sonic Foundry they should have released a Mac version - but never did. Sony has also not done a great job of marketing it - e.g. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ http://www.stephenv2.me/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Karl Newman Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] F*k You Adobe On Feb 8, 2012, at 12:55 PM, James Culbertson wrote: Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work? Sure it is, but then so is Avid, Edius, Final Cut, Lightworks, Smoke, and I am sure others. Avid and Smoke may have an advantage with large collaborative groups by design, and I have thrown together multiple editors using shared storage with a couple of MacBook Pros on location, but in the end, they are just tools. If I need to edit something on iMovie to get the project done on time I use iMovie. Everyone of them have things they do well and things not so well. The question really is how are you going to be using it, who do you have to share materials with, what formats do you need to be able to work with, and most importantly, which are you comfortable with to get the job done. In my own office I end up hopping between Final Cut, Premier, After Effects, Motion, and Cinema4D, plus other software, pretty much everyday I am working. It comes down to which tool gets something I want done the best and the fastest. Karl Newman kwnewman@verizon.net ------=_NextPart_000_01BD_01CCE6B5.A44A17D0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> Sure it is, but then so is Avid, Edius, Final Cut, = Lightworks, Smoke, and I am sure others.

 

Please don’t forget the “chip-on-the-shoulder NLE” = Vegas. FCPx has borrowed heavily from Vegas for a number of its = “ground-breaking features”. It weird to many read all the = FCPx users waxing rhapsodic about this or that that has been available = in Vegas for many years. V11 even has a magnetic timeline event that is = far more predictable and controllable than FCPx but within a very = sophisticated track-based system with nesting and grouping tracks. The = only real thing FCPx has over it is meta-data – Vegas has had a = metadata media manager for over 5 years but it’s a basic tag based = system without the visual analyses stuff FCPx offers. Of course, Vegas = has bins and traditional media management and auto-relinking and collect = to output.

 

I dumped Premiere back in 2001 for Vegas and never looked back. = Vegas now is pretty kick ass NLE – got much of the CPU and GPU = accelerated performance of Premiere (in fact faster with some codecs = than Mercury Engine). It was first with a bunch of features, it’s = been 64-bit for years, added stereoscopic editing, native Red support = and dozens of other features long before anyone else in its price = range.

 

Plus it’s audio tools put every other NLE to shame – it = started its life as a DAW. Plus is not hardware dependent and still runs = well on old machines. It’s got some flaws much of it due to = mediocre support from hardware and 3-party plugs but because it’s = deceptively simple, it’s used by prosumers but has really deep = power (it was the first NLE with 4K 32-bit color support  that I = could preview 4K IMAX sequences in several versions = ago).

 

Of course, when Sony bought it from Sonic Foundry they should have = released a Mac version – but never did. Sony has also not done a = great job of marketing it – e.g.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/=

http://www.stephenv2.me/

 

A film is – or should be – more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

–Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of = Karl Newman
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:40 = PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE] F*k = You Adobe

 

On = Feb 8, 2012, at 12:55 PM, James Culbertson wrote:



Is = Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature = work?

 

Sure it = is, but then so is Avid, Edius, Final Cut, Lightworks, Smoke, and I am = sure others. Avid and Smoke may have an advantage with large = collaborative groups by design, and I have thrown together multiple = editors using shared storage with a couple of MacBook Pros on location, = but in the end, they are just tools. If I need to edit something on = iMovie to get the project done on time I use iMovie. Everyone of them = have things they do well and things not so well. The question really is = how are you going to be using it, who do you have to share materials = with, what formats do you need to be able to work with, and most = importantly, which are you comfortable with to get the job = done.

 

In my own office I end up hopping between Final Cut, = Premier, After Effects, Motion, and Cinema4D, plus other software, =  pretty much everyday I am working. It comes down to which tool = gets something I want done the best and the = fastest.

 

Karl Newman

 

 

 

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