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Subject: Re: [AE] Premiere Pro [branched from previous thread]
From: Jim Curtis <jpcurtis@me.com>
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Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2012 11:40:02 -0600
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Steve, I work in native (non-AJA) sequences as a matter of course, because using an AJA preset slogs everything down.  I generally paste everything into an AJA sequence for client screenings and color grading.

Yes, to latest CUDA driver, AJA driver, Adobe AJA plug-in, etc.

I only have a single Quadro 4000 card, which drives my 30" ACD and nothing else.

Soo..  I'm still in search of the elusive Avid-like experience with Pr.  I would much rather work in Pr.  It's faster overall, and being able to copy and paste into Ae is a Festivus Miracle.


On Feb 9, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Steve Oakley wrote:

> are you always using AJA sequences ? can you do a quick test ? create a desktop / custom sequence that doesn't do I/O to the AJA and see what you get. I'm suspecting it should be good and thinking it might be the AJA driver overhead... well thats my thought anyway. worth a quick test.  
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> also do you have your CUDA drivers updates ?
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> do you have a single Q4000 card ? or 2 cards - one for displays, one for CUDA ?
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> if you check "Use Previews" ( on by default ) in export PP should not need to formally render. it will use either any actual render files from the TL and just use CUDA to generate the frames on the fly just like playback. that should vastly increase your render times.
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> steve o
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> On Feb 9, 2012, at 8:46 AM, Jim Curtis wrote:
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>> Hmm... I've had 32G RAM in my MacPro3,1 since I bought it.  I have latest drivers, average 1GB/s reads from my RAID, updated Pr 5.5.2, OS 10.6.8.
>> 
>> I posted last night that I just got one H.264 720 clip in that scrubs well.  It's the only clip in the project, and I'm wondering now if that is a clue.  Most of the time, I have dozens of clips in a project.  This was the first Long-GOP that allowed me to scrub like intraframe.  
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>> I'm juggling a few projects now.  One has all .mp4 and .MTS files, and a bunch of JPEG stills, and they're a nightmare.  Scrubbing is almost futile.
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>> I loaded up the trial of Avid MC6, and using AMA, I get beautiful smooth scrubbing, even to the monitor through my Kona LHi with all the types of media that work with AMA.  The difference is night and day.
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>> On Feb 9, 2012, at 2:40 AM, Gary Berendsen wrote:
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>>> On a macpro 2009 with 32GB here with osx and win7, PP works exactly the same. Previews the same, I just found some codec options different between the 2 os's. Have no problems with scrubbing etc.  Only time I experienced that recently is on a stage design job i was doing and running PP and AE  at the same time on my MBP 2011 with 8 GB which would cause problems with dynamic linking and the playback in AE and PP especially which app had control of the hardware on the tower no problems.  What I have found that most PP probs seem to be due to low RAM.  I do however hit render a lot in PP but that is more a habit so it all plays well, I also do that in FCP.
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>>> gary
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>>> On 2/8/2012 10:19 PM, Jim Curtis wrote:
>>>> My guess is that this isn't on Mac or with Long-GOP material, because my take is that Adobe hasn't lived up to the claims of native editing on this platform.  I still transcode to ProRes if I need to get work done in a time frame I can manage.  Half the time I scrub in Pr with Long-GOP, the video doesn't update, either at all, or at a rate above 2 FPS.
>>>> 
>>>> A lot of long form docs and low budget features are being shot on H264 / MPEG, and I doubt you're going to see many claims that they're cutting native on a Mac with Pr.  Sounds like a recipe for Seppuku.
>>>> 
>>>> I really want to love Pr, and I do for ProRes and DVCProHD editing.  But, I noticed I swear a lot more when trying to either edit native, or edit using my AJA card.  I hope these get the same respect that Pr Windows users get when CS6 comes out (or before would be nice, too!).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 8, 2012, at 1:17 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote:
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>>>>>> Is Premiere being used for long-form documentary and Feature work?
>>>>> Yes. _Act of Valor_ and _Monsters_ spring to mind as recent examples.
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Is it ever used for Broadcast work?
>>>>> Yes. The BBC, Hearst, Turner, and several other organizations have moved to using it on some or all of their projects.
>>>>> 
>>>>> There are a lot of customer success stories on the Adobe website. Here's a link to one:
>>>>> www.adobe.com/cfusion/showcase/index.cfm?event=casestudydetail&casestudyid=1097986
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>>> I got called in about a month ago to finish up a short 3 minute
>>>>>> corporate piece started by a communications manager. Seemed quite
>>>>>> stable and snappy compared to my minor foray's into Premiere in years
>>>>>> past.
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