Return-Path: Received: from gateway12.websitewelcome.com ([69.56.144.7] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4669302 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 19:01:50 +0200 Received: by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 0428A1F8BE965; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:01:26 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ham02.websitewelcome.com (unknown [173.192.111.51]) by gateway12.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9BC261F8BE469 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:01:24 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ham02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 666) id 99544EF8A9A12; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:01:24 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ham02.websitewelcome.com X-Spam-Flag2999: NO X-Spam-Level2999: X-Spam-Status2999: "No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from alpina.websitewelcome.com (alpina.websitewelcome.com [74.54.176.2]) by ham02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E44FDEF8A9480 for ; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:01:23 -0500 (CDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=crishdesign.com; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-BWhitelist:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir:X-Source-Sender:X-Source-Auth:X-Email-Count:X-Source-Cap; b=YhP2uGQADCKaC5/KOcMt5tu/KtSyBI/zkxTRBi09sHBWLFxlW+rDWrgAgG5alabyiXwGkTtWPeoKmbG0a2ESgdNfabquHbckCKcZV/6NS42Yx9cvZutg3R+/ptaCkhIE; Received: from [199.21.106.118] (port=50444 helo=[192.168.0.3]) by alpina.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SCwFP-00042S-IB; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 12:01:23 -0500 From: Chris Meyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_53853847-1ACC-454D-9136-51FB26F7B6A0" Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:01:22 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" , Robert Behnke References: Message-Id: <5249D13D-BF90-4213-B04D-21BCE32E9F1E@crishdesign.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alpina.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.0.3]) [199.21.106.118]:50444 X-Source-Auth: chris@crishdesign.com X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7YWxwaW5hLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== --Apple-Mail=_53853847-1ACC-454D-9136-51FB26F7B6A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Not all that crazy; it's how video camera implemented a "film mode" - = sample the sensor at 24p, then add telecine-like pulldown to turn it = into 29.97 interlaced. To reverse this at get back to the source = progressive frames, you need to separate fields (virtually all HD is = upper field first), then remove the pulldown. - Chris On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert Behnke wrote: > Actually, it is a strange thing. The HPX500 had a 1080i 24p mode. =46rom= the manual: "this mode enables shooting 24fps in the progressive mode. = a 2:3 conversion format is used to convert to 24 fps video signal to a = 60-field interlaced signal for output or recording - this guarantees a = cine-like video output" I could deinterlace the footage in Mocha but = using a 3:2 pull down and setting it to upper field. Crazy format. > =20 > Robert Behnke > From: Py Fave > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 5:03 AM > Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced >=20 > "as 1080i24p " >=20 > it can be i or p not both. seems like an odd file (out of standards) >=20 > i would first output a nice progressive sequence from after effects = (doubling frame rate if interlaced) , then track that. >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Le 23 mars 2012 21:46, Robert Behnke a =E9crit= : > I think I figured it out... maybe. So it was 1080i24p (come up in AE = as DVCPRO HD 1080i60)... if I bring it into AE and interpret footage: = separate fields (upper) 3:2 pulldown WWWSS and it seems to go away. Does = this make any sense? =20 > =20 > Robert Behnke > From: Robert Behnke > To: After Effects Mail List =20 > Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:10 PM > Subject: [AE] Mocha interlaced >=20 > I shot a video in 1080i/60 24 on a HPX500 (first time and last time I = will probably do that). I am trying to remove the interlaced footage to = use in Mocha and I cannot figure it out. I have tried setting pull down, = trying different cadences, etc. and there still seems to be interlacing. = I think this is what is killing my ability to track the footage = correctly. Thanks! > =20 > Robert Behnke >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Pierre-Yves Fave > 0612994425 > http://www.5data.net >=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail=_53853847-1ACC-454D-9136-51FB26F7B6A0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Not = all that crazy; it's how video camera implemented a "film mode" - sample = the sensor at 24p, then add telecine-like pulldown to turn it into 29.97 = interlaced. To reverse this at get back to the source progressive = frames, you need to separate fields (virtually all HD is upper field = first), then remove the pulldown.

 - = Chris



On Mar 28, = 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert Behnke wrote:

Actually, = it is a strange thing. The HPX500 had a 1080i 24p mode. =46rom the = manual: "this mode enables shooting 24fps in the progressive mode. a 2:3 = conversion format is used to convert to 24 fps video signal to a = 60-field interlaced signal for output or recording - this guarantees a = cine-like video output" I could deinterlace the footage in Mocha but = using a 3:2 pull down and setting it to upper field. Crazy format. =
 
Robert Behnke
From: Py Fave <pyfave@gmail.com>
To: After Effects Mail List = <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
Sent: Wednesday, = March 28, 2012 5:03 AM
Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced
=
"as 1080i24p "

it can be i or p not = both. seems like  an odd file (out of standards)

i would = first output a nice progressive sequence from after effects (doubling = frame rate if interlaced) , then track that.





Le 23 mars = 2012 21:46, Robert Behnke <robert_behnke@yahoo.com> a =E9crit :
I think I figured it out... maybe. So it was 1080i24p (come up in AE as = DVCPRO HD 1080i60)... if I bring it into AE and interpret footage: = separate fields (upper) 3:2 pulldown WWWSS and it seems to go away. Does = this make any sense?  
 
Robert Behnke
From: Robert Behnke <robert_behnke@yahoo.com> To: After Effects Mail = List <AE-List@media-motion.tv> =
Sent: Friday, March 23, = 2012 1:10 PM
Subject: = [AE] Mocha interlaced

I shot a video in 1080i/60 24 on a HPX500 = (first time and last time I will probably do that). I am trying to = remove the interlaced footage to use in Mocha and I cannot figure it = out. I have tried setting pull down, trying different cadences, etc. and = there still seems to be interlacing. I think this is what is killing my = ability to track the footage correctly. Thanks!
 
Robert = Behnke


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