Return-Path: Received: from nm26-vm2.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com ([98.138.91.214] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4669419 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 20:34:35 +0200 Received: from [98.138.90.55] by nm26.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 18:34:51 -0000 Received: from [98.138.87.9] by tm8.bullet.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 18:34:51 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 28 Mar 2012 18:34:51 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 803722.78701.bm@omp1009.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 47720 invoked by uid 60001); 28 Mar 2012 18:34:51 -0000 DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=yahoo.com; s=s1024; t=1332959691; bh=pNfwxCWS+t0kxOe1bJqIU0dG8wGLugtElZ5QP6ExhJU=; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=sK2+4ixQSvF1NEW++gvhsB8MI+aakrSVQilhT0GW4MzTUxHI37RDLiQvci15hCocgPIfij3FwDu/LOCwC2gYF1eYLgtlZza63IpKFyKX7Y7con1cfOATOhGtWnIMAe3+6SAHAr8P/DsBoRm0+4FBnBGuW685L8LNaHM96StzGRA= DomainKey-Signature:a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=X-YMail-OSG:Received:X-Mailer:References:Message-ID:Date:From:Reply-To:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type; b=qAJSJBpsfBuZr4RDkDZDEF3r/p4dSxwP8m5mU2M/w8H9ILTK8eSm3Yq9WVfDvv86X56BF1KA+F13vVa0y8FltWz4esUxiemzV3k4SlI9BEqh45K4olsxqJrH85ji7hQ/5X/OMdDqH3hd3pHTt+lqOePnbxUcnTenk3U5wB3aKWk=; X-YMail-OSG: EGFy0L4VM1nKgaoa5pJgaY7vVtYQmWZbJHhUcmWGCNMpCk0 B8dd0hPQbZOVK5VP4PzBM32JIz3BS2TAnF2OTuVqTD4SziJQ2wgu4LFU4ROs B4DogcKsPLLdVcQhxcvVOIfu.STYVl32RofrHSRA_o_XlrDyvLzRyKL3YJDn WJim.zLkqWgmkFKYveKK_Nlpeiqb0Jcufg9VdcfV8981XOxfcx_5gpcleSA3 9LYIjVOBF3XfV1MoTGkHgIRv1QlGh1zDfxLoveAkhE7Z__1Ak7vlaKdHtsgT VrOSVgoacAvMsHr0i4BEf0xNuNl3oYpEpWb_rS.DZoBrw2yjcgRAGKEhlfBO 7t31PaOcmMPm__HlXG11l7.9Z15uNJmnyzPkaqhrOMTgE7CxVcsfK88Wknp4 ppkAKvqqX5dowBWsduoCmwBqWZ0Q5204kdUSmGFyrrevi9Nl7Eusk1m46m4W bTo5AcX6jTwMAScZDzy4L4nV2cpCwQgz1bcg3nRYoutJcym7CHAJ04Ie3dg3 4JXz3c2VIFz4pLxkwv7kGZv3ZKO8MRA-- Received: from [149.169.140.165] by web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com via HTTP; Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:34:51 PDT X-Mailer: YahooMailWebService/0.8.117.340979 References: Message-ID: <1332959691.89264.YahooMailNeo@web120004.mail.ne1.yahoo.com> Date: Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Robert Behnke Reply-To: Robert Behnke Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced To: After Effects Mail List In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="1265908415-2100815105-1332959691=:89264" --1265908415-2100815105-1332959691=:89264 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Thanks Chris! I did not know that most HD was upper. I was out of the field= for a while and have not worked with HD much. That is what took me the lon= gest to figure out... I just kept playing around with the settings.=A0 =0A= =0A=A0=0ARobert Behnke=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0A From: Ch= ris Meyer =0ATo: After Effects Mail List =0ASent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:01 AM=0ASubject: Re: [= AE] Mocha interlaced=0A =0A=0ANot all that crazy; it's how video camera imp= lemented a "film mode" - sample the sensor at 24p, then add telecine-like p= ulldown to turn it into 29.97 interlaced. To reverse this at get back to th= e source progressive frames, you need to separate fields (virtually all HD = is upper field first), then remove the pulldown.=0A=0A=A0- Chris=0A=0A=0A= =0A=0AOn Mar 28, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert Behnke wrote:=0A=0AActually, it = is a strange thing. The HPX500 had a 1080i 24p mode. From the manual: "this= mode enables shooting 24fps in the progressive mode. a 2:3 conversion form= at is used to convert to 24 fps video signal to a 60-field interlaced signa= l for output or recording - this guarantees a cine-like video output" I cou= ld deinterlace the footage in Mocha but using a 3:2 pull down and setting i= t to upper field. Crazy format. =0A>=A0Robert Behnke=0A>=0A>=0A>___________= _____________________=0A> From: Py Fave =0A>To: After Eff= ects Mail List =0A>Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 201= 2 5:03 AM=0A>Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced=0A> =0A>=0A>"as 1080i24p "= =0A>=0A>it can be i or p not both. seems like=A0 an odd file (out of standa= rds)=0A>=0A>i would first output a nice progressive sequence from after eff= ects (doubling frame rate if interlaced) , then track that.=0A>=0A>=0A>=0A>= =0A>=0A>=0A>Le 23 mars 2012 21:46, Robert Behnke = a =E9crit :=0A>=0A>I think I figured it out... maybe. So it was 1080i24p (c= ome up in AE as DVCPRO HD 1080i60)... if I bring it into AE and interpret f= ootage: separate fields (upper) 3:2 pulldown WWWSS and it seems to go away.= Does this make any sense?=A0=A0=A0Robert Behnke=0A>>=0A>>=0A>>____________= ____________________=0A>> From: Robert Behnke =0A>= >To: After Effects Mail List =0A>>Sent: Friday, M= arch 23, 2012 1:10 PM=0A>>Subject: [AE] Mocha interlaced=0A>> =0A>>=0A>>=0A= >>I shot a video in 1080i/60 24 on a HPX500 (first time and last time I wil= l probably do that). I am trying to remove the interlaced footage to use in= Mocha and I cannot figure it out. I have tried setting pull down, trying d= ifferent cadences, etc. and there still seems to be interlacing. I think th= is is what is killing my ability to track the footage correctly. Thanks!=0A= >>=0A>>=A0=0A>>Robert Behnke=0A>>=0A>>=0A>=0A>=0A>-- =0A>Pierre-Yves Fave= =0A>0612994425=0A>http://www.5data.net=0A>=0A>=0A> --1265908415-2100815105-1332959691=:89264 Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Thanks Chris! I d= id not know that most HD was upper. I was out of the field for a while and = have not worked with HD much. That is what took me the longest to figure ou= t... I just kept playing around with the settings. 
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Robert Behnke
From: Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com>= ;
To: After Effects Ma= il List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28, 2012 10:01 AM
Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interlaced=

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Not all that craz= y; it's how video camera implemented a "film mode" - sample the sensor at 2= 4p, then add telecine-like pulldown to turn it into 29.97 interlaced. To re= verse this at get back to the source progressive frames, you need to separa= te fields (virtually all HD is upper field first), then remove the pulldown= .

 - Chris


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On Mar 28, 2012, at 10:44 AM, Robert Behnke wrote:

A= ctually, it is a strange thing. The HPX500 had a 1080i 24p mode. From the m= anual: "this mode enables shooting 24fps in the progressive mode. a 2:3 con= version format is used to convert to 24 fps video signal to a 60-field inte= rlaced signal for output or recording - this guarantees a cine-like video o= utput" I could deinterlace the footage in Mocha but using a 3:2 pull down a= nd setting it to upper field. Crazy format.
 
Robert Behnke
From: Py Fave <pyfave@gmail.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Wednesday, March 28,=0A 2012 5:03 AM
= Subject: Re: [AE] Mocha interl= aced

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"as 1080i24p "
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it can be i or p not both. seems like  an odd file (out of standar= ds)

i would first output a nice progressive sequence from after effe= cts (doubling frame rate if interlaced) , then track that.
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Le 23 mars 2012 21:46, Ro= bert Behnke <robert_behnke@yahoo.com> a =E9crit :
=0AI think I figured it out... maybe. So it wa= s 1080i24p (come up in AE as DVCPRO HD 1080i60)... if I bring it into AE an= d interpret footage: separate fields (upper) 3:2 pulldown WWWSS and it seem= s to go away. Does this make any sense?  
=0A 
Robert Behnke
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From: Robert Behnke <robert_behnke@yahoo.com>
To: After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
=0A Sent: Friday, March 23, 2012 1:10 PM Subject: [AE] Mocha inter= laced

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I shot a video in 1080i/60 24 on a HPX500 (first time and l= ast time I will probably do that). I am trying to remove the interlaced foo= tage to use in Mocha and I cannot figure it out. I have tried setting pull = down, trying different cadences, etc. and there still seems to be interlaci= ng. I think this is what is killing my ability to track the footage correct= ly. Thanks!
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Robert Behnke





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