Return-Path: Received: from nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com ([98.139.91.79] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4669739 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Thu, 29 Mar 2012 03:26:46 +0200 Received: from [98.139.91.63] by nm9.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2012 01:27:03 -0000 Received: from [98.139.91.10] by tm3.bullet.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2012 01:27:03 -0000 Received: from [127.0.0.1] by omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com with NNFMP; 29 Mar 2012 01:27:03 -0000 X-Yahoo-Newman-Id: 510697.73981.bm@omp1010.mail.sp2.yahoo.com Received: (qmail 75804 invoked from network); 29 Mar 2012 01:27:03 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=sbcglobal.net; h=DKIM-Signature:X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=TAgsONVfz/7ge6LLUB9gcycWqu/OrIWrhCMnSnbwAUKDYFQDmnnC2lfRikoGnLuuWfbt/xsKIRrRfLz5mptKU5GaY8f0Xp2RfB2PrQJcBvKTbZmImyZIFGHYQz0X+qoH7oYZqP2yjihVU8a/XFD50SZvjGD6Cujxi7A0a8pzRUE= ; DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=sbcglobal.net; s=s1024; t=1332984423; bh=6GQM2Pg6EZUJSva6MubbrOUM/NXkorHwoOVAPPTqWf8=; h=X-Yahoo-Newman-Property:X-YMail-OSG:X-Yahoo-SMTP:Received:Subject:References:From:Content-Type:X-Mailer:In-Reply-To:Message-Id:Date:To:Content-Transfer-Encoding:Mime-Version; b=mJHga3cBNDsELvx3Fovtu1E6IDVc/Aa2DYqUpgQZ2xRezHuPoKuqe1idHfrrJ/cHjSYiKjhEvhw8I6JvYeXek0xdAmKPeoyERBneArjyIJYcBl8XrBOLTGAB8LOP+qZ3/WFAgbRGYaAyI8zHIJcC6uZ+cKoLnKuMAQEo4Vvuv5k= X-Yahoo-Newman-Property: ymail-3 X-YMail-OSG: _Ro2jdAVM1n8eRiasaqbsih8BhqWtphAGJYphl4GwX38IdD IvcDgDrcWj_rNRh4v_mtwGY3NkHh3TTfDYNdRwnv_aweBmxEFg088Lvh8Fg2 Us8jpFTTM_HhGI5IdhfaAVhPUctkBeN_XfgVYSVB6HUsVQ32aB7nv0cVGs2N dPtoBcGs2Q9T0yUorMnhIV_WGjjGk4Za80jqqiGl.Zp0AQMzEGEcWIiiDtOO UQ2pOD8CP31gwMlfJfod4FrgHT.ciscpSBhYHZZoFOSQuDx1XBoj.9xA81q. 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I wish that= the Adobe suite of apps were more like the Unix command line apps where any= one can be used with any other. Where the output of one can simply be PIPE= D into another. Where I can substitute another company's MV command as simp= ly as today people switch renderers. I know... Pipe Dream! ;-) -Enrique=20 PS.. Adobe needs their own 3d app. Reposse is a start. On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Robert Kjettrup wrote: > Photoshop CS6 beta has already after a short week replaced my use of PS CS= 5 completely, it is seriously the best and most responsive version of PS sin= ce CS2. It opens quicker, the interface is nicer, a good overall update of f= eatures and it is just fast. Good job Adobe.=20 > i was also a bit worried about the movie editing features added, but i was= quite surprised about how nice it actually is, much more useful than i thou= ght it would be. > Some interface features i hope to see in AE also: The small postion readou= t when moving layes around, the popup windows to change eg the stroke and fi= ll colors, and the properties panel. >=20 > For AE and Premiere i would at least expect that they would open a PSD wit= h a cut, and extract the timeline. >=20 > Now you just have to release the CS6 suites before the beta expires so we c= an update as fast as possible :-)=20 >=20 >=20 > OT: why is it that photoshop doesn't use the simple uncomplicated standard= adobe feature request/but report system? you get redirected to some clutter= ed social media lookalike photoshop.com.... i really dont hope AE goes this w= ay. Todd? please say no. :-) >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday > Mobil: 25 18 95 16 > Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk >=20 >=20 > 2012/3/27 S=C3=B8ren Christensen >=20 > and I will definitely be looking forward to that :-) >=20 > Cheers >=20 >=20 > On 27/03/2012, at 20:56, Todd Kopriva wrote: >=20 > > I wish that I could say more right now, but I can't. Stay tuned for a re= sponse as soon as I'm allowed to make it about how Photoshop CS6 relates to o= ur video applications. We'll be talking about the next version of our video a= pplications very soon---but not soon enough. > > > > ________________________________________ > > From: After Effects Mail List [AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Enr= ique [enrique0210@sbcglobal.net] > > Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:53 AM > > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 Photoshop Beta out > > > > +1 > > IMHO, It seems to me that the marketing department is driving the featur= es list. > > > > It would make more sense to create highly specialized applications and t= hen improve the interfaces or links between them. For example, if I'm more o= f an editor than a graphic artist I may own PPr and Ps Elements. I'd want t= hese two apps to talk to each other effectively rather than have either bloa= ted with the functionality of the other. Vice versa, there may be some arti= sts out there with the full Ps that only needs an entry level editor... Mix a= nd match what you like, but don't confuse the market with overlapping featur= es lists! Unless, of course, that's what's intended. :( > > > > -enrique > > Sent from my iPad > > > > On Mar 27, 2012, at 6:53 AM, S=C3=B8ren Christensen > wrote: > > > > > > I find quite a few of the cs6 features interesting - especially those fi= xing bad interfacing from previously poorly added features ;-) > > But on first thought i find it pretty awkward with 'imovie-inside-photos= hop' - if the aim is for photographers why not put it in Lightroom instead? > > > > I also love PS and something breaks inside of me each time some - at lea= st to me ;-) - bloated consumer features pushes the pro away. > > Maybe this is the return of Image Ready for html5 webbanners (adobe edge= )? > > What is the strategy? long term one ring to rule them all ? > > > > In my humble opinion it would make more sense on integrating a timeline-= for-editing with gpu acc tools in AE than PS. > > Or spending time on making a useable procedural effect workflow, AE styl= e, instead of the poor implementation in previous PS versions. > > > > Well, enough grump. > > Maybe I get surprised and start edit....in photoshop > > (no, it still doesn't feel right) > > > > S=C3=B8ren > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > |||| DESILENCE STUDIO > > |||| www.dslnc.com - motion & interactivity > > |||| +34 93 268 0953 / +34 61 555 9963 (mobile) > > > > |||| SOCIAL > > |||| facebook.dslnc.com > > |||| twitter.dslnc.com > > > > |||| SHOWREEL 2012 > > |||| http://vimeo.com/dslncstudio/reel > > > > On 22/03/2012, at 19:17, Robert Leigh wrote: > > > > Here's another overview featuring the ubiquitous Scott Kelby. > > > > http://www.photoshopuser.com/cs6 > > > > > > > > Robert > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf= Of > > Mike Abbott > > Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:07 PM > > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 Photoshop Beta out > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf= Of > > Rich Young > > Sent: 22 March 2012 17:16 > > To: After Effects Mail List > > Subject: Re: [AE] CS6 Photoshop Beta out > > > > > > It seems like a lot stuff, though Adobe's video strategy looks a little > > scattered. Here's a free intro: > > http://www.video2brain.com/en/products-401.htm > > > > > > I agree about 'scattered' - and not only video. > > > > Being typically awkward I started watching the above videos in reverse o= rder > > - but when he revealed that the oil paint filter was 'easily his No.1 > > favourite new feature in Photoshop CS6' - I really did spill my coffee..= . > > And that was the end of that :) > > > > > > Mike A. > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 --Apple-Mail-A65FF4C1-CB90-4F0B-868C-021B6042A97A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
I'm not saying = that the movie editing features may not be well executed, only that Where = in the name =22Photoshop=22 do you see =22Movie Editor=22.  I wish = that the Adobe suite of apps were more like the Unix command line apps = where any one can be used with any other.  Where the output of one = can simply be PIPED into another.  Where I can substitute another = company's MV command as simply as today people switch = renderers.

I know... Pipe Dream=21 =  ;-)
-Enrique 

PS.. Adobe = needs their own 3d app.  Reposse is a = start.



On Mar 28, 2012, at 11:06 AM, = Robert Kjettrup <robert=40stvmayday.dk> = wrote:

Photoshop CS6 beta has already after a short week replaced = my use of PS CS5 completely, it is seriously the best and most responsive = version of PS since CS2. It opens quicker, the interface is nicer, a good = overall update of features and it is just fast. Good job = Adobe. 
i was also a bit worried about the movie editing features added, but i was = quite surprised about how nice it actually is, much more useful than i = thought it would be.
Some interface features i = hope to see in AE also: The small postion readout when moving layes = around, the popup windows to change eg the stroke and fill colors, and the = properties panel.

For AE and Premiere i = would at least expect that they would open a PSD with a cut, and extract = the timeline.

Now = you just have to release the CS6 suites before the beta expires so we can = update as fast as possible :-) 


OT: why is it that photoshop doesn't use the simple = uncomplicated standard adobe feature request/but report system? you get = redirected to some cluttered social media lookalike photoshop.com.... i really dont hope = AE goes this way. Todd? please say no. :-)





Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday
Mobil: = 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert=40stvmayday.dk


2012/3/27 S=C3=B8ren Christensen = <soren=40desilence.net>

and I will definitely be looking forward to that :-)

Cheers


On 27/03/2012, at 20:56, Todd Kopriva wrote:

> I wish that I could say more right now, but I can't. Stay tuned for a = response as soon as I'm allowed to make it about how Photoshop CS6 relates = to our video applications. We'll be talking about the next version of our = video applications very soon---but not soon enough.
>
> ________________________________________
> From: After Effects Mail List =5BAE-List=40media-motion.tv= =5D On Behalf Of Enrique =5Benrique0210=40sbcglobal.net= =5D
> Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2012 11:53 AM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D CS6 Photoshop Beta out
>
> +1
> IMHO, It seems to me that the marketing department is driving the = features list.
>
> It would make more sense to create highly specialized applications = and then improve the interfaces or links between them.  For example, = if I'm more of an editor than a graphic artist I may own PPr and Ps = Elements.  I'd want these two apps to talk to each other effectively = rather than have either bloated with the functionality of the other. =  Vice versa, there may be some artists out there with the full Ps = that only needs an entry level editor... Mix and match what you like, but = don't confuse the market with overlapping features lists=21  Unless, = of course, that's what's intended.  :(
>
> -enrique
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Mar 27, 2012, at 6:53 AM, S=C3=B8ren Christensen <soren=40desilence.net<mail= to:soren=40desilence.net>>= wrote:
>
>
> I find quite a few of the cs6 features interesting - especially those = fixing bad interfacing from previously poorly added features ;-)
> But on first thought i find it pretty awkward with = 'imovie-inside-photoshop' - if the aim is for photographers why not put it = in Lightroom instead?
>
> I also love PS and something breaks inside of me each time some - at = least to me ;-) - bloated consumer features pushes the pro away.
> Maybe this is the return of Image Ready for html5 webbanners (adobe = edge)?
> What is the strategy? long term one ring to rule them all ?
>
> In my humble opinion it would make more sense on integrating a = timeline-for-editing with gpu acc tools in AE than PS.
> Or spending time on making a useable procedural effect workflow, AE = style, instead of the poor implementation in previous PS versions.
>
> Well, enough grump.
> Maybe I get surprised and start edit....in photoshop
> (no, it still doesn't feel right)
>
> S=C3=B8ren
>
>
>
>
> <dslnc_email2_black.png>
>
>
>
> =7C=7C=7C=7C DESILENCE STUDIO
> =7C=7C=7C=7C  www.dslnc.com<http://www.dslnc.com/> - motion & = interactivity
> =7C=7C=7C=7C  +34 93 268 0953  /  +34 61 = 555 9963 (mobile)
>
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>
> =7C=7C=7C=7C SHOWREEL 2012
> =7C=7C=7C=7C http://vimeo.com/dslncstudio/reel
>
> On 22/03/2012, at 19:17, Robert Leigh wrote:
>
> Here's another overview featuring the ubiquitous Scott Kelby.
>
> http://www.photoshopuser.com/cs6
>
>
>
> Robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: After Effects Mail List =5Bmailto:AE-List=40media-motion.tv= =5D On Behalf Of
> Mike Abbott
> Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2012 12:07 PM
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D CS6 Photoshop Beta out
>
>
>
> ________________________________
>
> From: After Effects Mail List =5Bmailto:AE-List=40media-motion.tv= =5D On Behalf Of
> Rich Young
> Sent: 22 March 2012 17:16
> To: After Effects Mail List
> Subject: Re: =5BAE=5D CS6 Photoshop Beta out
>
>
> It seems like a lot stuff, though Adobe's video strategy looks a = little
> scattered. Here's a free intro:
> http://www.video2brain.com/en/products-401.htm
>
>
> I agree about 'scattered' - and not only video.
>
> Being typically awkward I started watching the above videos in = reverse order
> - but when he revealed that the oil paint filter was 'easily his = No.1
> favourite new feature in Photoshop CS6' - I really did spill my = coffee...
> And that was the end of that :)
>
>
> Mike A.
>
>
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