Return-Path: Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.17.9] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4676129 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:58:25 +0200 Received: from IMAC-ELLIOT.local (pD955FC0B.dip.t-dialin.net [217.85.252.11]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mrbap4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0LtnQD-1SNRqV2Dyv-011Bc0; Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:58:55 +0200 User-Agent: Microsoft-Entourage/12.20.0.090605 Date: Wed, 04 Apr 2012 20:58:51 +0200 Subject: Re: [AE] OT: Mac Bootcamp hardware question From: Elliot Steele To: After List Message-ID: Thread-Topic: [AE] OT: Mac Bootcamp hardware question Thread-Index: Ac0SlPlDcUdFlxB8JEaG0bSw+Xm21A== In-Reply-To: Mime-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="B_3416417935_7013270" X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:9wur2Kh2TkOOAk7z+1zVSJIkuH/5hPxJYl1rtoRSgxV ER2NJCTslFRfC7FYaXrf5l/xi17AiWo2QeLq6/8/6v/yu9wHB2 8ZjZ8d/mMs3nd7vV75NNkuouVmOXk9YLr0+QdT6n9NFPHrCMIw cNR/qAXlbErA4nfQgis8np8BSkDSi8A+8GAxAnWm9HXpdLTc2p /+f84B8qeCscFNqv6QM6CD34LcPSpcx2llCJU9a002ZS+b+fSL VscU4ol6O1yKCTJC7A7ThlLRB7cl4R8O27PfbUjJsl6o3q1yiu kfCHh63L0hQ0I9mL/KBaXYCS3ozRRjUqRvmju+BurSEmG/bXuN JKHw4URkTOyqSE1aYnhk= > This message is in MIME format. Since your mail reader does not understand this format, some or all of this message may not be legible. --B_3416417935_7013270 Content-type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Basically cost! A dual proc Mac Pro is (or at least was) cheaper than the equivalent Dell o= r HP etc with the added flexibility of running OSX when needed. And they look nicer :-) It is possible to buy a cheap PC ( I have just ordered a couple of cheap i7 render nodes: 6-core 3930K with 32GB RAM, for about =E2=82=AC1300 each which I am expecting to almost match the performance of my current 12-core Mac Pro) bu= t dual processor rigs are a different story. cheers Elliot =20 Am 04/04/2012 20:48 schrieb "Jonathan Penzner" unter : > How interesting. I've never heard of using a Mac as a straight PC running > Windows. If you don't mind my asking, why did you make that choice? >=20 > Jonathan >=20 >=20 > On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Elliot Steele wrote: >=20 >> Re: [AE] OT: Mac Bootcamp hardware question >> Jonathan, >>=20 >> I normally boot with the option key but only reboot very few days if tha= t. >>=20 >> If you only have the 1 Windows HD then it will boot straight to it. I=E2=80=99= ve got >> 6 Mac Pros at the moment & only 1 of them has an OSX system intalled alo= ng >> with W7. >> The other 5 have Windows 7 64 & Windows XP 64 on separate HDs. >>=20 >> Elliot >>=20 >>=20 >> Am 04/04/2012 20:34 schrieb "Jonathan Penzner" unter > >: >>=20 >>> Elliot, >>>=20 >>> If you don't need Bootcamp, have Windows on a separate drive, do you te= ll >>> the Mac to boot from the Windows Drive via the OPT or is there another= way >>> to start up from that drive? >>>=20 >>> Thanks, >>>=20 >>> Jonathan >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Elliot Steele wrote: >>>=20 >>>> Chris, >>>>=20 >>>> If there are drivers available for the version of Windows you want to = run >>>> (hopefully Windows 7 64 Bit) then any hardware will run fine but obvio= usly >>>> not under OSX. >>>>=20 >>>> I've probably posted this before but "Bootcamp" isn't necessary to run >>>> Windows on a Mac, in fact you don't even need to have an OSX system >>>> installed at all. As far as Windows is concerned it's just another PC. >>>>=20 >>>> My advice is always install Windows on a separate HD. >>>>=20 >>>> I've been running Windows (& AE) on Mac Pros since 2006 without any >>>> problems >>>> so if you have any other questions just fire away! >>>>=20 >>>> Cheers >>>>=20 >>>> Elliot >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Am 04/04/2012 20:04 schrieb "Chris Meyer" unter >>> >: >>>>=20 >>>>> A lot of you know far more about systems and hardware than I do, so I >>>>> wanted >>>>> to fact-check the following two statements to try to separate some my= th >>>>> from >>>>> reality about using Bootcamp to run Windows on Mac machines. I'd >>>>> appreciate >>>>> learning if these statements are true, false, and/or need asterisks a= nd >>>>> qualifications to properly explain: >>>>>=20 >>>>> - The same hardware will give essentially the same performance on a = Mac >>>>> running Bootcamp, or a PC running the same version of Windows. >>>>>=20 >>>>> - If you cannot use a certain piece of hardware (such as an NVIDIA Q= uadro >>>>> 6000) in a Mac running MacOS, then you also cannot use that hardware = in a >>>>> Mac >>>>> running Bootcamp. >>>>>=20 >>>>> thanks in advance - >>>>> Chris >>>>> +---End of message---+ >>>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>>> > >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> +---End of message---+ >>>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> > >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> JONATHAN PENZNER >>> SUNDANCE/REALTIME >>> VIDEO EDITING =E2=80=A2 MOTION GRAPHICS =E2=80=A2 DESIGN >>>=20 >>> | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | >>> | CELL 818 321-2890 | >>>=20 >>> SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >>>=20 >>>=20 >=20 >=20 > JONATHAN PENZNER > SUNDANCE/REALTIME > VIDEO EDITING =E2=80=A2 MOTION GRAPHICS =E2=80=A2 DESIGN >=20 > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | > | CELL 818 321-2890 | >=20 > SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >=20 >=20 --B_3416417935_7013270 Content-type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Re: [AE] OT: Mac Bootcamp hardware question Basically cost!

A dual proc Mac Pro is (or at least was) cheaper than the equivalent Dell o= r HP etc with the added flexibility of running OSX when needed.
And they look nicer :-)

It is possible to buy a cheap PC ( I have just ordered a couple of cheap i7= render nodes: 6-core 3930K with 32GB RAM, for about €1300 each which = I am expecting to almost match the performance of my current 12-core Mac Pro= ) but dual processor rigs are a different story.

cheers

Elliot

  


Am 04/04/2012 20:48 schrieb "Jonathan Penzner" unter <sureal@charter.net>:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>How interesting. I've never heard of using a Mac= as a straight PC running Windows. If you don't mind my asking, why did you = make that choice?

Jonathan


On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Elliot Steele wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Re: [AE] OT: Mac Bootcamp hardware question
Jonathan,

I normally boot with the option key but only reboot very few days if that.<= BR>
If you only have the 1 Windows HD then it will boot straight to it. I’= ;ve got 6 Mac Pros at the moment & only 1 of them has an OSX system inta= lled along with W7.
The other 5 have Windows 7 64  & Windows XP 64 on separate HDs.
Elliot


Am 04/04/2012 20:34 schrieb "Jonathan Penzner" unter <sureal@charter.net <x-msg://104/sureal@charter.net> >:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Elliot,

If you don't need Bootcamp, have Windows on a separate drive, do you tell t= he Mac to boot from the Windows Drive via the OPT  or is there another = way to start up from that drive?

Thanks,

Jonathan


On Apr 4, 2012, at 11:16 AM, Elliot Steele wrote:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>Chris,

If there are drivers available for the version of Windows you want to run (hopefully Windows 7 64 Bit) then any hardware will run fine but obviously<= BR> not under OSX.

I've probably posted this before but "Bootcamp" isn't necessary t= o run
Windows on a Mac, in fact you don't even need to have an OSX system
installed at all. As far as Windows is concerned it's just another PC.

My advice is always install Windows on a separate HD.

I've been running Windows (& AE) on Mac Pros since 2006 without any pro= blems
so if you have any other questions just fire away!

Cheers

Elliot


Am 04/04/2012 20:04 schrieb "Chris Meyer" unter <chris@crishdesign.com <x-msg://104/chris@crishdesign.com> >:

<= SPAN STYLE=3D'font-size:11pt'>A lot of you know far more about systems and har= dware than I do, so I wanted
to fact-check the following two statements to try to separate some myth fro= m
reality about using Bootcamp to run Windows on Mac machines. I'd appreciate=
learning if these statements are true, false, and/or need asterisks and
qualifications to properly explain:

 - The same hardware will give essentially the same performance on a M= ac
running Bootcamp, or a PC running the same version of Windows.

 - If you cannot use a certain piece of hardware (such as an NVIDIA Qu= adro
6000) in a Mac running MacOS, then you also cannot use that hardware in a M= ac
running Bootcamp.

thanks in advance -
Chris
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