Return-Path: Received: from mail-ob0-f169.google.com ([209.85.214.169] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4682783 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 12 Apr 2012 00:42:32 +0200 Received: by obbup16 with SMTP id up16so867593obb.28 for ; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:43:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=N15we19s3it5MD5biDwxtZL/oTLqubMQmQTorWTxSl0=; b=ggKiDV7cPF10diz/gw6d0UYMRCzypRor/AzQO/QWzNH2ubhpmkbyEh+DtNgsMyZDOU WBS5VSm4w4eWRFFd4b451z9+7xG5eC3hq8X77mt2ke5yJA135yAN5E1l0vMnWJLIGumU ZYLDcDg+PHRjXdYAAWUnjMbDRlTjMm8JhfJRNvDdytpirNVjqbGRt4Bcf2uCSgF1twee M2MNbluV3zzL9crVhM0g4TsKZ3NJ7xIUaK/y7kpWOxo/Ca0QjvFbQXcdd3dMtDzkHiAq HuhMRdDDxm9DMzBgA20VKz4xgPJwCKZx7xITdNEKYqilKYqilwVTONjvuwqdE9VmSrNP PqKg== Received: by 10.182.179.68 with SMTP id de4mr319241obc.13.1334184194939; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:43:14 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.182.193.97 with HTTP; Wed, 11 Apr 2012 15:42:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Teddy Gage Date: Wed, 11 Apr 2012 18:42:34 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f6433a0011c6604bd6ef7c6 --e89a8f6433a0011c6604bd6ef7c6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 A) HP workstations have nearly the same markup as apple. ditto BOXX B) That configuration likely doesn't even exist as a mac pro, depending on the flavor of i7 you chose C) A custom built PC (from parts or a builder) is cheaper for equivalent performance and has more options for configuration D) I have never seen a mac render farm. not that it doesn't exist, but in terms of pure price : performance ratio and scalability PCs have the edge I just think it's shocking people still think macs are the be-all and end-all of performance. it's not true. right now the only reason I own a mac is FCP 7 support. And even that is dwindling as places switch to premiere or avid following the FCP X debacle On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex Czetwertynski wrote: > Are high end PC's really cheaper? I just tried pricing a 12core HP with > 2.6ghz processors, a decent graphics card, 2TB or HD, and something like > 14GB or RAM. I was coming very close to 5k just for the box....And that is > without SSD, etc... > Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place? > > On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: > > While I understand the issue with switching (despite very few plugins > being only available for Mac) you aren't seriously suggesting professionals > only use Macs? Top end post houses focused on 3D are almost exclusively PC. > The Mac pro line is seriously stale right now... > On Apr 11, 2012 6:04 PM, "Dann Stubbs" wrote: > >> yeah just ignore the thousands of dollars in apps and workflow you may >> have to give up or pay to upgrade to make a change to save $500 >> >> great advice! wonder why you don't see more long time professionals >> espouse that view... >> >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> Dann Stubbs - dann@darkskydigital.com >> Dark Sky Digital - http://www.darkskydigital.com >> >> http://www.RenderKing.com Value Priced C4D, VRAY Render Farm >> ___________________________________________________________________ >> >> >> >> On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> >> Buy a pc. 200% cheaper. Choose your own graphics card etc. And faster, if >> you spring for sandy bridge i7s. :) >> On Apr 11, 2012 5:44 PM, "Rob Birnholz" >> wrote: >> >>> I am also interested in this question. My MacPro 2.1, while a workhorse, >>> is showing its age and is ready to slide down to the #2 spot in my >>> workflow. But with no new pro offerings from Apple, I'm wondering if a top >>> end 27" iMac will fill the bill. My biggest concerns are with heavy duty AE >>> rendering and to a lesser extent no CUDA capability. >>> >>> I hope to have a better idea of where things are headed after next week. >>> >>> Rob Birnholz >>> Absolute Motion Graphics, Inc. >>> Longwood, Florida >>> www.absolutemotiongraphics.com >>> >>> (sent from a mobile device) >>> >>> On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:18 PM, joe cafe wrote: >>> >>> > Is anyone using AE on an iMac, and is it to be recommended for >>> broadcast motion design? >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> >> > -- Animator & Editor www.teddygage.com Brooklyn --e89a8f6433a0011c6604bd6ef7c6 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A) HP workstations have nearly the same markup as apple. ditto BOXX
B) = That configuration likely doesn't even exist as a mac pro, depending on= the flavor of i7 you chose
C) A custom built PC (from parts or a= builder) is cheaper for equivalent performance and has more options for co= nfiguration
D) I have never seen a mac render farm. not that it doesn't exist,= but in terms of pure price : performance ratio and scalability PCs have th= e edge

I just think it's shocking people still= think macs are the be-all and end-all of performance. it's not true. r= ight now the only reason I own a mac is FCP 7 support. And even that is dwi= ndling as places switch to premiere or avid following the FCP X debacle

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 6:12 PM, Alex C= zetwertynski <alex@disciplefilms.com> wrote:
Are high end PC's really cheaper? = =A0I just tried pricing a 12core HP with 2.6ghz processors, a decent graphi= cs card, 2TB or HD, and something like 14GB or RAM. =A0I was coming very cl= ose to 5k just for the box....And that is without SSD, etc...
Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place?
=
On Apr 11, 2012, at 6:10 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

While I understand the issue with switching (despit= e very few plugins being only available for Mac) you aren't seriously s= uggesting professionals only use Macs? Top end post houses focused on 3D ar= e almost exclusively PC. The Mac pro line is seriously stale right now...

On Apr 11, 2012 6:04 PM, "Dann Stubbs"= <dann@dark= skydigital.com> wrote:
yeah just ignore the thousands of dolla= rs in apps and workflow you may have to give up or pay to upgrade to make a= change to save $500

great advice!=A0wonder why you don&= #39;t see more long time professionals espouse that view...

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Dann Stubbs=A0=A0-=A0=A0dann@darkskydigital.com
Dark Sky Digital -=A0=A0= http://www.dar= kskydigital.com

http://www.RenderKing.com=A0=A0Value Priced C4D, VR= AY Render Farm
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On Apr 11, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Teddy Gage wrote:

Buy a pc. 200% cheaper. Choose your own graphics ca= rd etc. And faster, if you spring for sandy bridge i7s. :)

On Apr 11, 2012 5:44 PM, "Rob Birnholz"= ; <abso= lutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:
I am also interested in this question. My MacPro 2.1, while a workhorse, is= showing its age and is ready to slide down to the #2 spot in my workflow. = But with no new pro offerings from Apple, I'm wondering if a top end 27= " iMac will fill the bill. My biggest concerns are with heavy duty AE = rendering and to a lesser extent no CUDA capability.

I hope to have a better idea of where things are headed after next week.
Rob Birnholz
Absolute Motion Graphics, Inc.
Longwood, Florida
www.ab= solutemotiongraphics.com

(sent from a mobile device)

On Apr 11, 2012, at 4:18 PM, joe cafe <cafe.joe@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is anyone using AE on an iMac, and is it to be recommended for broadca= st motion design?

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