Return-Path: Received: from gateway13.websitewelcome.com ([69.41.245.6] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4684913 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:38:04 +0200 Received: by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id CB29E348885E1; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ham03.websitewelcome.com (ham.websitewelcome.com [173.192.100.229]) by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8FF1E348884F7 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:50 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ham03.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 666) id 87D05AFAFC84B; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:50 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ham03.websitewelcome.com X-Spam-Flag2999: NO X-Spam-Level2999: X-Spam-Status2999: "No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from alpina.websitewelcome.com (alpina.websitewelcome.com [74.54.176.2]) by ham03.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E42DBAFAFC298 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:48 -0500 (CDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=crishdesign.com; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-BWhitelist:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir:X-Source-Sender:X-Source-Auth:X-Email-Count:X-Source-Cap; b=fFDa3bX+W6OCU605n/fIlCGDYq7MjVENOp634TXhskOAaAQbz/Nqj3J55bNmm2XLKIdNzN6RLBGoXMPBv55nN6DYjb1T9FJIV174slnTIiLUfhGM966jSPqnC6TVk5bo; Received: from [199.21.106.89] (port=49915 helo=[192.168.0.3]) by alpina.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SIjWK-0006tZ-IR for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:38:48 -0500 From: Chris Meyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_92FED40B-E9A3-4980-B1D5-D191E66BF65A" Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:38:47 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alpina.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.0.3]) [199.21.106.89]:49915 X-Source-Auth: chris@crishdesign.com X-Email-Count: 4 X-Source-Cap: Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7YWxwaW5hLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== --Apple-Mail=_92FED40B-E9A3-4980-B1D5-D191E66BF65A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than on = a Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really = know what you're doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's = as stable and faster than a Mac=85but now you're spending similar money = again. What was that formula=85faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2?=20 Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card = assortment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the = GPU ceiling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI = compared to the long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; = then when you move onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of = ray tracing in CS6, and look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. = Mac, and as a Mac user I want to cry.=20 Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does = discount huge chunks of a person's relationship to their computer, in = terms of software (and hardware) investment, OS familiarity, and other = intangibles. It's like blithely telling someone to change their religion = to get a better assortment of holidays (smile). - Chris On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote: > Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask if he=92s tried a = workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 configured with adequate = RAM and proper graphics card. Somewhere above the discussion of mac v = pc and making a purchase based on price, there is a realm of higher = quality/better components in a workstation that don=92t offer any of the = downside things Jim has experienced. Mine=92s a dual processor quad = core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in 2+ years. RAM previews and = complex renders are as good today as day one. > =20 > John > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Teddy Gage > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE > =20 > How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same = program on both OSes. >=20 > On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" wrote: > Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and > bought one, I've been burned. At work, they go down more, are > convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews and even > rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I > sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of > survival. >=20 > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz > wrote: > > FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some people = think.> >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the = addressee and may contain information that is privileged and = confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. = If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are = hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution = or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this = communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and = delete this e-mail and any attachments from your system. =AD=AD =20 --Apple-Mail=_92FED40B-E9A3-4980-B1D5-D191E66BF65A Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend = less on a PC than on a Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable = (unless you really know what you're doing, and configure your own). You = can get a PC that's as stable and faster than a Mac=85but now you're = spending similar money again. What was that = formula=85faster/cheaper/better, pick any = 2? 

Seriously, though, the big deficit on the = MacPro side is graphic card assortment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but = you'll hit your head on the GPU ceiling first). The Apple Store offering = only two flavors of ATI compared to the long list HP offers for the Z820 = is criminal enough; then when you move onto the CUDA requirement to get = good speed out of ray tracing in CS6, and look at the list of approved = cards on the PC vs. Mac, and as a Mac user I want to = cry. 

Regardless, the advice to "just get = a Mac" or "just get a PC" does discount huge chunks of a person's = relationship to their computer, in terms of software (and hardware) = investment, OS familiarity, and other intangibles. It's like blithely = telling someone to change their religion to get a better assortment of = holidays (smile).

 - = Chris



On Apr 13, = 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote:

Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask = if he=92s tried a workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 = configured with adequate RAM and proper graphics card.  Somewhere = above the discussion of mac v pc and making a purchase based on price, = there is a realm of higher quality/better components in a workstation = that don=92t offer any of the downside things Jim has experienced.  = Mine=92s a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in = 2+ years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day = one.
 
John
 After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy = Gage
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 = 10:16 AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE
 

How are ram previews and = rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same program on both = OSes.

On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" = <james.c.lang@gmail.com> = wrote:
Unfortunately, every time I have = believed the pcs are ok spin, and
bought one, I've been burned. =  At work, they go down more, are
convoluted to maintain, and the = problems like ram previews and even
rendering complex projects become = insurmountable, so forgive me if I
sound like a Mac nut, it's not = that I love Apple, it's a matter of
survival.

On Wed, Apr 11, = 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz
<absolutemotion@birnholz.com> = wrote:
> FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some = people think.>

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