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[69.200.232.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id c3sm14415603qap.20.2012.04.13.09.51.26 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Fri, 13 Apr 2012 09:51:27 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Czetwertynski Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-137--453602168 Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:51:23 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <35335796-334E-4AFF-8D4F-125BA089D990@disciplefilms.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQlvQZU4BHyaZYKJNvzwtYFBnFqc54zP7Wqq5ndMRGF89mzrrsLQmkuINcS7mymrpuPN3eTF --Apple-Mail-137--453602168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Ah, you summed up the sensation I have right now so well...I have to buy = a computer, I wish I could buy a mac, but beyond the graphics card = problem, I have this painful feeling in my stomach that as OSX develops = it will become less and less of a professional platform and more and = more of a convergent iOs experience. Will we still have a filesystem on = OSX in 3 years? Will third party developers have to expose it? Maybe computing is changing, and maybe Apple is way too far ahead, but = right now the problem is not only hardware, it seems to be the overall = "philosophy" of computing that is on the verge of changing. =20 On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:38 PM, Chris Meyer wrote: > That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than = on a Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really = know what you're doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's = as stable and faster than a Mac=85but now you're spending similar money = again. What was that formula=85faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2?=20 >=20 > Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card = assortment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the = GPU ceiling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI = compared to the long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; = then when you move onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of = ray tracing in CS6, and look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. = Mac, and as a Mac user I want to cry.=20 >=20 > Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does = discount huge chunks of a person's relationship to their computer, in = terms of software (and hardware) investment, OS familiarity, and other = intangibles. It's like blithely telling someone to change their religion = to get a better assortment of holidays (smile). >=20 > - Chris >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote: >=20 >> Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask if he=92s tried a = workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 configured with adequate = RAM and proper graphics card. Somewhere above the discussion of mac v = pc and making a purchase based on price, there is a realm of higher = quality/better components in a workstation that don=92t offer any of the = downside things Jim has experienced. Mine=92s a dual processor quad = core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in 2+ years. RAM previews and = complex renders are as good today as day one. >> =20 >> John >> =20 >> From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Teddy Gage >> Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM >> To: After Effects Mail List >> Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE >> =20 >> How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same = program on both OSes. >>=20 >> On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" wrote: >> Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and >> bought one, I've been burned. At work, they go down more, are >> convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews and even >> rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I >> sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of >> survival. >>=20 >> On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz >> wrote: >> > FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some people = think.> >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>=20 >> This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of = the addressee and may contain information that is privileged and = confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. = If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are = hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution = or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this = communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and = delete this e-mail and any attachments from your system. =AD=AD =20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-137--453602168 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252 Ah, = you summed up the sensation I have right now so well...I have to buy a = computer, I wish I could buy a mac, but beyond the graphics card = problem, I have this painful feeling in my stomach that as OSX develops = it will become less and less of a professional platform and more and = more of a convergent iOs experience.  Will we still have a = filesystem on OSX in 3 years?  Will third party developers have to = expose it?
Maybe computing is changing, and maybe Apple is way too = far ahead, but right now the problem is not only hardware, it seems to = be the overall "philosophy" of computing that is on the verge of = changing.  

On Apr 13, 2012, at 12:38 PM, = Chris Meyer wrote:


 - = Chris



On Apr 13, = 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote:

Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask = if he=92s tried a workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 = configured with adequate RAM and proper graphics card.  Somewhere = above the discussion of mac v pc and making a purchase based on price, = there is a realm of higher quality/better components in a workstation = that don=92t offer any of the downside things Jim has experienced.  = Mine=92s a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in = 2+ years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day = one.
 
John
 After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy = Gage
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 = 10:16 AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE
 

How are ram previews and = rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same program on both = OSes.

On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" = <james.c.lang@gmail.com> = wrote:
Unfortunately, every time I have = believed the pcs are ok spin, and
bought one, I've been burned. =  At work, they go down more, are
convoluted to maintain, and the = problems like ram previews and even
rendering complex projects become = insurmountable, so forgive me if I
sound like a Mac nut, it's not = that I love Apple, it's a matter of
survival.

On Wed, Apr 11, = 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz
<absolutemotion@birnholz.com> = wrote:
> FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some = people think.>

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