Return-Path: Received: from eatspam.slcc.edu ([144.35.15.69] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4684934 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 18:55:56 +0200 X-ASG-Debug-ID: 1334336202-0439c31282107a810001-edO5QZ Received: from vCAS1.slcc.int (vcas1.slcc.int [10.1.11.52]) by eatspam.slcc.edu with ESMTP id ZwR5zau2NXhNSRFw for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:56:42 -0600 (MDT) X-Barracuda-Envelope-From: John.Morgan@slcc.edu Received: from EXCH.slcc.int ([127.0.0.1]) by vCAS1.slcc.int ([fe80::5023:faf7:26da:d5bf%11]) with mapi; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:56:42 -0600 From: John Morgan To: After Effects Mail List Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 10:56:40 -0600 Subject: RE: [AE] iMac and AE Thread-Topic: [AE] iMac and AE X-ASG-Orig-Subj: RE: [AE] iMac and AE Thread-Index: Ac0Zk+rk/mEM/3MuTvmbUG47oglBmAAANdew Message-ID: References: In-Reply-To: Accept-Language: en-US Content-Language: en-US X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: acceptlanguage: en-US Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A5A667E1EA3EXCHslccint_" MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Barracuda-Connect: vcas1.slcc.int[10.1.11.52] X-Barracuda-Start-Time: 1334336202 X-Barracuda-URL: http://eatspam.slcc.edu:8000/cgi-mod/mark.cgi X-Virus-Scanned: by bsmtpd at slcc.edu X-Barracuda-Spam-Score: 0.00 X-Barracuda-Spam-Status: No, SCORE=0.00 using global scores of TAG_LEVEL=1000.0 QUARANTINE_LEVEL=1000.0 KILL_LEVEL=6.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE X-Barracuda-Spam-Report: Code version 3.2, rules version 3.2.2.94018 Rule breakdown below pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- 0.00 HTML_MESSAGE BODY: HTML included in message --_000_EAE675A223415848A14AA69EBCDE9D0A5A667E1EA3EXCHslccint_ Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Definitely those relationships matter, as does investment in software/hardw= are, plugins and such. When a person has a bad experience as Jim described= , if it can be attributed to price, quality and ultimately 'survival'....we= ll, survivors learn how to survive. :) My survival has been having quality= /fast hardware with cost being secondary to those first two things. BTW, my NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 looks like it's now taking a back seat to the= newer 4000 line and others. I was reading the CS6 CUDA/render speeds on y= our website and wondering if it's time to upgrade. I saw numbers indicating= what my card will do in 14 seconds, the 4000 does in 6. Something close to= that. That's a great website! Thanks Chris. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Chris Meyer Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:39 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than on a = Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really know wh= at you're doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's as stable= and faster than a Mac...but now you're spending similar money again. What = was that formula...faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2? Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card assor= tment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the GPU cei= ling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI compared to t= he long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; then when you move = onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of ray tracing in CS6, and = look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. Mac, and as a Mac user I w= ant to cry. Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does discount= huge chunks of a person's relationship to their computer, in terms of soft= ware (and hardware) investment, OS familiarity, and other intangibles. It's= like blithely telling someone to change their religion to get a better ass= ortment of holidays (smile). - Chris On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote: Not denying Jim's experience but I do need to ask if he's tried a workstati= on class machine such as the HP Z800 configured with adequate RAM and prope= r graphics card. Somewhere above the discussion of mac v pc and making a p= urchase based on price, there is a realm of higher quality/better component= s in a workstation that don't offer any of the downside things Jim has expe= rienced. Mine's a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup= in 2+ years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day one. John From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of= Teddy Gage Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same progr= am on both OSes. On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" > wrote: Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and bought one, I've been burned. At work, they go down more, are convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews and even rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of survival. 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Definitel= y those relationships matter, as does investment in software/hardware, plug= ins and such.  When a person has a bad experience as Jim described, if= it can be attributed to price, quality and ultimately ‘survival̵= 7;….well, survivors learn how to survive. J  My s= urvival has been having quality/fast hardware with cost being secondary to = those first two things.

 

BTW, my NVIDIA Quadro= FX 4800 looks like it’s now taking a back seat to the newer 4000 lin= e and others.  I was reading the CS6 CUDA/render speeds on your websit= e and wondering if it’s time to upgrade. I saw numbers indicating wha= t my card will do in 14 seconds, the 4000 does in 6. Something close to tha= t.  That’s a great website! Thanks Chris.

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John

 

From: After Effects Mail Li= st [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Chris Meyer
S= ent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:39 AM
To: After Effects Mail L= ist
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE

 

That's the= two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than on a Mac, but t= hen it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really know what you're = doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's as stable and faste= r than a Mac…but now you're spending similar money again. What was th= at formula…faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2? 

 

Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card asso= rtment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the GPU ce= iling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI compared to = the long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; then when you move= onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of ray tracing in CS6, and= look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. Mac, and as a Mac user I = want to cry. 

 = ;

Regardless, the advice to "= just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does discount huge chunks= of a person's relationship to their computer, in terms of software (and ha= rdware) investment, OS familiarity, and other intangibles. It's like blithe= ly telling someone to change their religion to get a better assortment of h= olidays (smile).

 <= /o:p>

 - Chris

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 <= /p>

On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan= wrote:



Not denying Jim’s experience but I= do need to ask if he’s tried a workstation class machine such as the= HP Z800 configured with adequate RAM and proper graphics card.  Somew= here above the discussion of mac v pc and making a purchase based on price,= there is a realm of higher quality/better components in a workstation that= don’t offer any of the downside things Jim has experienced.  Mi= ne’s a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in 2+= years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day one.

 <= /o:p>

John

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From: = A= fter Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subj= ect: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE

 

How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the= same program on both OSes.

On= Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" <james.c.lang@gmail.com> wrote:

<= div>

Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs = are ok spin, and
bought one, I've been burned.  At work, they go do= wn more, are
convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews = and even
rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me= if I
sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of=
survival.

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz
<<= a href=3D"mailto:absolutemotion@birnholz.com">absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as so= me people think.>

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