Return-Path: Received: from gateway08.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.62.17] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4685005 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:23:54 +0200 Received: by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id E938B387A098B; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: from ham02.websitewelcome.com (unknown [173.192.111.51]) by gateway08.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id DDCBB387A096B for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) Received: by ham02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 666) id DC82810DBF047; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.3.1 (2010-03-16) on ham02.websitewelcome.com X-Spam-Flag2999: NO X-Spam-Level2999: X-Spam-Status2999: "No, score=-1.9 required=5.0 tests=BAYES_00,HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=ham version=3.3.1 Received: from alpina.websitewelcome.com (alpina.websitewelcome.com [74.54.176.2]) by ham02.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58DCC10DBEFE3 for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:24:40 -0500 (CDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=default; d=crishdesign.com; h=Received:From:Mime-Version:Content-Type:Subject:Date:In-Reply-To:To:References:Message-Id:X-Mailer:X-BWhitelist:X-Source:X-Source-Args:X-Source-Dir:X-Source-Sender:X-Source-Auth:X-Email-Count:X-Source-Cap; b=lsCWuaY2mTVSV6Xv1S4Za5celpDt+4B3FYqv9trnq/SMGFvoKFjDwJW/+EJqClmIcDsZAI+Ss0Es8HhlpX6CFMJYN265NXq5Rzf33Ccp1Cjd6y3M5TosRolC88l7mjcB; Received: from [199.21.106.89] (port=50579 helo=[192.168.0.3]) by alpina.websitewelcome.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SIkEh-0000kz-PE for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:24:40 -0500 From: Chris Meyer Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1257) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Apple-Mail=_26C4739A-16A5-4D74-BFF7-11B0976B7688" Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 11:24:38 -0600 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1257) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - alpina.websitewelcome.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - crishdesign.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: ([192.168.0.3]) [199.21.106.89]:50579 X-Source-Auth: chris@crishdesign.com X-Email-Count: 1 X-Source-Cap: Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7Y3Jpc2h3ZWI7YWxwaW5hLndlYnNpdGV3ZWxjb21lLmNvbQ== --Apple-Mail=_26C4739A-16A5-4D74-BFF7-11B0976B7688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:18 AM, John Morgan wrote: > Got me a racey little car with tight suspension. Does exactly what I = want it to do. Someone might say =93Yeah, but what kind of gas mileage = does it get?=94 I look back at them kind of dumbfounded and say =93Who = cares?=94 I agree with you to a large degree; however, it seems the first line = many people pull out in the Mac vs. PC wars is that PCs are cheaper. - Chris > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of John Morgan > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:57 AM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE > =20 > Definitely those relationships matter, as does investment in = software/hardware, plugins and such. When a person has a bad experience = as Jim described, if it can be attributed to price, quality and = ultimately =91survival=92=85.well, survivors learn how to survive. J My = survival has been having quality/fast hardware with cost being secondary = to those first two things. > =20 > BTW, my NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 looks like it=92s now taking a back seat = to the newer 4000 line and others. I was reading the CS6 CUDA/render = speeds on your website and wondering if it=92s time to upgrade. I saw = numbers indicating what my card will do in 14 seconds, the 4000 does in = 6. Something close to that. That=92s a great website! Thanks Chris. > =20 > John > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Chris Meyer > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:39 AM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE > =20 > That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than = on a Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really = know what you're doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's = as stable and faster than a Mac=85but now you're spending similar money = again. What was that formula=85faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2?=20 > =20 > Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card = assortment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the = GPU ceiling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI = compared to the long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; = then when you move onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of = ray tracing in CS6, and look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. = Mac, and as a Mac user I want to cry.=20 > =20 > Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does = discount huge chunks of a person's relationship to their computer, in = terms of software (and hardware) investment, OS familiarity, and other = intangibles. It's like blithely telling someone to change their religion = to get a better assortment of holidays (smile). > =20 > - Chris > =20 > =20 > =20 > On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote: > =20 >=20 > Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask if he=92s tried a = workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 configured with adequate = RAM and proper graphics card. Somewhere above the discussion of mac v = pc and making a purchase based on price, there is a realm of higher = quality/better components in a workstation that don=92t offer any of the = downside things Jim has experienced. Mine=92s a dual processor quad = core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in 2+ years. RAM previews and = complex renders are as good today as day one. > =20 > John > =20 > From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On = Behalf Of Teddy Gage > Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM > To: After Effects Mail List > Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE > =20 > How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same = program on both OSes. >=20 > On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" wrote: > Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and > bought one, I've been burned. At work, they go down more, are > convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews and even > rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I > sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of > survival. >=20 > On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz > wrote: > > FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some people = think.> >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 > This message, and any attachments, is intended only for the use of the = addressee and may contain information that is privileged and = confidential or otherwise exempt from disclosure under applicable law. = If the reader of this e-mail is not the intended recipient, you are = hereby notified that any unauthorized use, dissemination, distribution = or reproduction of this message is prohibited. If you have received this = communication in error, please notify the sender by return e-mail and = delete this e-mail and any attachments from your system. =AD=AD =20 > =20 --Apple-Mail=_26C4739A-16A5-4D74-BFF7-11B0976B7688 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
On Apr 13, 2012, at 11:18 AM, John Morgan = wrote:

Got me a = racey little car with tight suspension. Does exactly what I want it to = do. Someone might say =93Yeah, but what kind of gas mileage does it = get?=94 I look back at them kind of dumbfounded and say =93Who = cares?=94

I agree with you to a large = degree; however, it seems the first line many people pull out in the Mac = vs. PC wars is that PCs are cheaper.

 - = Chris



From: After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of John Morgan
Sent: Friday, April 13, = 2012 10:57 AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE
 
Definitely those relationships matter, as = does investment in software/hardware, plugins and such.  When a = person has a bad experience as Jim described, if it can be attributed to = price, quality and ultimately =91survival=92=85.well, survivors learn = how to survive. J  My survival has been = having quality/fast hardware with cost being secondary to those first = two things.
 
BTW, my NVIDIA Quadro FX = 4800 looks like it=92s now taking a back seat to the newer 4000 line and = others.  I was reading the CS6 CUDA/render speeds on your website = and wondering if it=92s time to upgrade. I saw numbers indicating what = my card will do in 14 seconds, the 4000 does in 6. Something close to = that.  That=92s a great website! Thanks = Chris.
 
 
 After = Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Chris = Meyer
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 = 10:39 AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE
Seriously, though, = the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card assortment (and # of = cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the GPU ceiling first). = The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI compared to the long = list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; then when you move onto = the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of ray tracing in CS6, and = look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. Mac, and as a Mac user = I want to cry. 
 
Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a = PC" does discount huge chunks of a person's relationship to their = computer, in terms of software (and hardware) investment, OS = familiarity, and other intangibles. It's like blithely telling someone = to change their religion to get a better assortment of holidays = (smile).
 - = Chris
On Apr 13, 2012, at = 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote:

 

Not denying Jim=92s experience but I do need to ask = if he=92s tried a workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 = configured with adequate RAM and proper graphics card.  Somewhere = above the discussion of mac v pc and making a purchase based on price, = there is a realm of higher quality/better components in a workstation = that don=92t offer any of the downside things Jim has experienced.  = Mine=92s a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in = 2+ years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day = one.
 
 
From:After Effects Mail List = [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy = Gage
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 = 10:16 AM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and = AE
How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is = the same program on both OSes.

On Apr 13, 2012 12:07 PM, "Jim Lang" <james.c.lang@gmail.com> = wrote:
Unfortunately, every = time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and
bought one, I've been = burned.  At work, they go down more, are
convoluted to maintain, = and the problems like ram previews and even
rendering complex = projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I
sound like a Mac = nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of
survival.

On = Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz
<absolutemotion@birnholz.com> = wrote:
> FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some = people think.>

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