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Well how nice of you (or your company) to have unlimited funds, but not all of us are so extremely lucky. For some people money is actually an issue. And cheaper isn't worse - it just means you get more for your money.
And I'd be happy to put your z800 against my custom built core i7 3930K any day of the week. :D
On Fri, Apr 13, 2012 at 1:18 PM, John Morgan <John.Morgan@slcc.edu> wrote:
Additional comment on Chris’s “you can spend less on a pc than a mac.”
Why would anyone want to do that and end up with Jim’s experience? Heck, my Z800 (configured as noted) was around $9,400.00 2+ years ago, not counting the CUDA card and the external Rorke Data GalaxyHDX2 storage and fiber channel HBA card. And it does exactly what I need it to do with high reliability and it can do it all day long. Anything less is unacceptable.
Got me a racey little car with tight suspension. Does exactly what I want it to do. Someone might say “Yeah, but what kind of gas mileage does it get?” I look back at them kind of dumbfounded and say “Who cares?”
John
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of John Morgan
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE
Definitely those relationships matter, as does investment in software/hardware, plugins and such. When a person has a bad experience as Jim described, if it can be attributed to price, quality and ultimately ‘survival’….well, survivors learn how to survive. J My survival has been having quality/fast hardware with cost being secondary to those first two things.
BTW, my NVIDIA Quadro FX 4800 looks like it’s now taking a back seat to the newer 4000 line and others. I was reading the CS6 CUDA/render speeds on your website and wondering if it’s time to upgrade. I saw numbers indicating what my card will do in 14 seconds, the 4000 does in 6. Something close to that. That’s a great website! Thanks Chris.
John
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Chris Meyer
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:39 AM
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Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE
That's the two edged sword, isn't it? You can spend less on a PC than on a Mac, but then it might not be as stable/reliable (unless you really know what you're doing, and configure your own). You can get a PC that's as stable and faster than a Mac…but now you're spending similar money again. What was that formula…faster/cheaper/better, pick any 2?
Seriously, though, the big deficit on the MacPro side is graphic card assortment (and # of cores, and max RAM, but you'll hit your head on the GPU ceiling first). The Apple Store offering only two flavors of ATI compared to the long list HP offers for the Z820 is criminal enough; then when you move onto the CUDA requirement to get good speed out of ray tracing in CS6, and look at the list of approved cards on the PC vs. Mac, and as a Mac user I want to cry.
Regardless, the advice to "just get a Mac" or "just get a PC" does discount huge chunks of a person's relationship to their computer, in terms of software (and hardware) investment, OS familiarity, and other intangibles. It's like blithely telling someone to change their religion to get a better assortment of holidays (smile).
On Apr 13, 2012, at 10:30 AM, John Morgan wrote:
Not denying Jim’s experience but I do need to ask if he’s tried a workstation class machine such as the HP Z800 configured with adequate RAM and proper graphics card. Somewhere above the discussion of mac v pc and making a purchase based on price, there is a realm of higher quality/better components in a workstation that don’t offer any of the downside things Jim has experienced. Mine’s a dual processor quad core Xeon w/24GB RAM. Never a hiccup in 2+ years. RAM previews and complex renders are as good today as day one.
From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf Of Teddy Gage
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 10:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE How are ram previews and rendering more complex on pc? AE is the same program on both OSes. Unfortunately, every time I have believed the pcs are ok spin, and bought one, I've been burned. At work, they go down more, are convoluted to maintain, and the problems like ram previews and even
rendering complex projects become insurmountable, so forgive me if I sound like a Mac nut, it's not that I love Apple, it's a matter of survival. On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 8:17 PM, Rob Birnholz < absolutemotion@birnholz.com> wrote:
> FWIW, I don't have as much bias against Windows as some people think.>
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