Return-Path: Received: from gateway13.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.82.4] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4685050 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 19:33:42 +0200 Received: by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id 4AEB63498B65B; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator1184.hostgator.com (gator1184.hostgator.com [174.121.151.98]) by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3DA523498B63B for ; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:34:29 -0500 (CDT) Received: from [24.167.166.243] (port=55444 helo=Neptune) by gator1184.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SIkOC-00074l-Ts for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 12:34:29 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'After Effects Mail List'" References: In-Reply-To: Subject: RE: [AE] iMac and AE Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:34:27 -0400 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <012b01cd199b$ad2830d0$07789270$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD197A.26181770" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQEijtagJvyb2e6FdULzVUBKT/YOPJfuFxJA Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1184.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: cpe-024-167-166-243.triad.res.rr.com (Neptune) [24.167.166.243]:55444 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 2 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IxMTg0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD197A.26181770 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > I agree with you to a large degree; however, it seems the first line many people pull out in the Mac vs. PC wars is that PCs are cheaper. I would argue that is an uninformed statement as a PC with same level of components and warranty will cost about the same as Mac. PCs offer a better bang for the buck because of the expanded CPU options. E.G. You can't get a Sandy Bridge E system from Apple. For less than half the price of dual socket 12 core Mac (or HP or Dell Precision Workstation), you can get a 6-core Sandy-Bridge E configured to the max with 32 or 48 GB or RAM. That box will run AE 75% to 80% of 12-core box, but you can buy two plus a better video and storage with your savings. Two machines for a small shop or power user is much faster, more productive environment than one big iron. I've run two boxes for years this way. For AE users, the only time a 12 core box with run much faster is on certain renders optimized for many threads, but at least half of the time, it's raw CPU, GPU and storage power that determine speed. And to max out RAM on a 12 core is financially brutal - pushing you 3X or more the price of Sandy Bridge E system. If you do a lot of 3D, then 12-cores does offer an advantage, but so does a cheap ass render farm of a couple of simple boxes with multicores - as a 3D render works best when it's using 100% of the boxes resources. If Apple simply offer a Mac Pro system with high-end desktop 6-core CPU rather than or in addition to a single Xeon, the PC world would not have such a big price/performance advantage for AE users. stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ http://www.stephenv2.me/ A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick ------=_NextPart_000_012C_01CD197A.26181770 Content-Type: text/html; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

> I agree with you to a large degree; however, it seems the = first line many people pull out in the Mac vs. PC wars is that PCs are = cheaper.

 

I would argue that is an uninformed statement as a PC with same level = of components and warranty will cost about the same as = Mac.

 

PCs offer a better bang for the buck because of the expanded CPU = options. E.G. You can’t get a Sandy Bridge E system from Apple. = For less than half the price of dual socket 12 core Mac (or HP or Dell = Precision Workstation), you can get a 6-core Sandy-Bridge E configured = to the max with 32 or 48 GB or RAM.

 

That box will run AE 75% to 80% of 12-core box, but you can buy two = plus a better video and storage with your savings. Two machines for a = small shop or power user is much faster, more productive environment = than one big iron. I’ve run two boxes for years this = way.

 

For AE users, the only time a 12 core box with run much faster is on = certain renders optimized for many threads, but at least half of the = time, it’s raw CPU, GPU and storage power that determine speed. = And to max out RAM on a 12 core is financially brutal – pushing = you 3X or more the price of Sandy Bridge E = system.

 

If you do a lot of 3D, then 12-cores does offer an advantage, but so = does a cheap ass render farm of a couple of simple boxes with = multicores  - as a 3D render works best when it’s using 100% = of the boxes resources.

 

If Apple simply offer a Mac Pro system with high-end desktop 6-core = CPU rather than or in addition to a single Xeon, the PC world would not = have such a big price/performance advantage for AE = users.

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/=

http://www.stephenv2.me/

 

A film is – or should be – more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what’s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

–Stanley Kubrick

 

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