Return-Path: Received: from vms173005pub.verizon.net ([206.46.173.5] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4685099 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 20:30:13 +0200 Received: from EDITINGPC ([unknown] [71.188.126.204]) by vms173005.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 7u2-7.02 32bit (built Apr 16 2009)) with ESMTPA id <0M2F00LBRKR6OJF3@vms173005.mailsrvcs.net> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 13 Apr 2012 13:30:43 -0500 (CDT) Message-id: From: "Glenn Ferguson" To: "After Effects Mail List" , References: In-reply-to: Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE Date: Fri, 13 Apr 2012 14:29:38 -0400 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0089_01CD1981.DBA128A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 14.0.8089.726 X-MIMEOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V14.0.8089.726 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CD1981.DBA128A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable A PC with the same specs as a Mac would, in fact, still be significantly = cheaper. Price and choice are the main reasons for buying a PC. From: Stephen van Vuuren=20 Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:34 PM To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE > I agree with you to a large degree; however, it seems the first line = many people pull out in the Mac vs. PC wars is that PCs are cheaper. =20 I would argue that is an uninformed statement as a PC with same level of = components and warranty will cost about the same as Mac. =20 PCs offer a better bang for the buck because of the expanded CPU = options. E.G. You can't get a Sandy Bridge E system from Apple. For less = than half the price of dual socket 12 core Mac (or HP or Dell Precision = Workstation), you can get a 6-core Sandy-Bridge E configured to the max = with 32 or 48 GB or RAM. =20 That box will run AE 75% to 80% of 12-core box, but you can buy two plus = a better video and storage with your savings. Two machines for a small = shop or power user is much faster, more productive environment than one = big iron. I've run two boxes for years this way. =20 For AE users, the only time a 12 core box with run much faster is on = certain renders optimized for many threads, but at least half of the = time, it's raw CPU, GPU and storage power that determine speed. And to = max out RAM on a 12 core is financially brutal - pushing you 3X or more = the price of Sandy Bridge E system. =20 If you do a lot of 3D, then 12-cores does offer an advantage, but so = does a cheap ass render farm of a couple of simple boxes with multicores = - as a 3D render works best when it's using 100% of the boxes = resources. =20 If Apple simply offer a Mac Pro system with high-end desktop 6-core CPU = rather than or in addition to a single Xeon, the PC world would not have = such a big price/performance advantage for AE users. =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ http://www.stephenv2.me/ =20 A film is - or should be - more like music than like fiction. It should = be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what's behind the = emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. -Stanley Kubrick =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0089_01CD1981.DBA128A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
A PC with the same specs as a Mac would, in = fact, still=20 be significantly cheaper.  Price and choice are the main reasons = for buying=20 a PC.
 
From: Stephen van Vuuren
Sent: Friday, April 13, 2012 1:34 PM
To: After Effects Mail List =
Subject: Re: [AE] iMac and AE

>=20 I agree with you to a large degree; however, it seems the first line = many people=20 pull out in the Mac vs. PC wars is that PCs are cheaper.

 

I=20 would argue that is an uninformed statement as a PC with same level of=20 components and warranty will cost about the same as = Mac.

 

PCs=20 offer a better bang for the buck because of the expanded CPU options. = E.G. You=20 can=92t get a Sandy Bridge E system from Apple. For less than half the = price of=20 dual socket 12 core Mac (or HP or Dell Precision Workstation), you can = get a=20 6-core Sandy-Bridge E configured to the max with 32 or 48 GB or=20 RAM.

 

That=20 box will run AE 75% to 80% of 12-core box, but you can buy two plus a = better=20 video and storage with your savings. Two machines for a small shop or = power user=20 is much faster, more productive environment than one big iron. I=92ve = run two=20 boxes for years this way.

 

For=20 AE users, the only time a 12 core box with run much faster is on certain = renders=20 optimized for many threads, but at least half of the time, it=92s raw = CPU, GPU and=20 storage power that determine speed. And to max out RAM on a 12 core is=20 financially brutal =96 pushing you 3X or more the price of Sandy Bridge = E=20 system.

 

If=20 you do a lot of 3D, then 12-cores does offer an advantage, but so does a = cheap=20 ass render farm of a couple of simple boxes with multicores  - as a = 3D=20 render works best when it=92s using 100% of the boxes=20 resources.

 

If=20 Apple simply offer a Mac Pro system with high-end desktop 6-core CPU = rather than=20 or in addition to a single Xeon, the PC world would not have such a big=20 price/performance advantage for AE users.

 

stephen=20 van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/<= /P>

http://www.stephenv2.me/

 

A=20 film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a=20 progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s behind the = emotion, the=20 meaning, all that comes later.

=96Stanley=20 Kubrick

 

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