Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.81] (HELO homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4694456 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 01:50:11 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 76B7F28406E for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:51:17 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=influxx.com; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from:subject :date:to; q=dns; s=influxx.com; b=SDibqIVgbgC93tL7W3t53mC8BiaB1c KA6jF80qSHhK7CXBu0D66xM5vpu7wIzQWw8Hp1ftRkOdpkaJKUSVxRDJVcGTS1on lltATp2oqCoTJqtGoTrkG2Fq6NxdBEfLeiQot2/m/9DQsKr0rz/AfBlqJGByYu/z 9m63AT4HteB2A= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=influxx.com; h= mime-version:in-reply-to:references:content-type:message-id:from :subject:date:to; s=influxx.com; bh=1CiorunpeS6TEWGCdmh50SDpeto= ; b=Q+3u2WVBD1PIhOmAnAYXonH6NtMG64Nq5RS/oPhIOjpSE/PFqWBmH9gFo35l KqdcO5Zs1rtoAx7MmdpVcj6s/ivlQX4GMY8j/IDev812tHscvMPA02bOcuO9OT1d U4RlHdEkKAj44on7+18Deg65Dlc1cdI/FILVCIfrHdYbV2A= Received: from [192.168.1.71] (76-206-254-56.lightspeed.irvnca.sbcglobal.net [76.206.254.56]) (Authenticated sender: adam@influxx.com) by homiemail-a3.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPA id 4C98A28406A for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:51:17 -0700 (PDT) Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v753.1) In-Reply-To: References: Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-7-435590910 Message-Id: From: adam mercado Subject: Re: [AE] Flag options in AE CS3 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 16:51:16 -0700 To: "After Effects Mail List" X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.753.1) --Apple-Mail-7-435590910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; delsp=yes; format=flowed Hi all, thanks for the help with this. Should have popped in to say =20 cheers a few days ago, but... I ended up just using the dispalcement map technique; it was quick =20 and easy and fast to render. The deadline was so short I did not have =20= time to evaluate the Zax plugins beyond a cursory once over to see if =20= I could immediately get what I wanted. Plus, despite the client =20 wanting a fully articulated 3D flag that rolled over on itself to =20 reveal a new flag on the back, that technique went totally in the =20 face of the show which was all flat vector kinetic info-graphic =20 style. The disp. map technique suited that better anyway I thought. Still, given my druthers I'd get into FreeForm in a heartbeat, that =20 will happen when I upgrade to CS6 in the next few weeks. cheers again for all the great suggestions Adam Mercado Influxx Media Production Fullerton, CA Moving Images. For Business 714=B0928=B09896 http://www.influxx.com http://www.twitter.com/influxx http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Peter McAuley wrote: > Hi, > > And if you want to make that flag move in 3D space, you might want =20 > to take a look at the BCC Layer Deformer plug-in, which uses AE =20 > comp cameras and lights and the filter's built-in auto-animating =20 > vertex shaders to generate 3D plane shapes that ripple and wave in =20 > 3D space (onto which you can map the static flag image or clip.) > > You can download a free trial of the product here: > > borisfx.com/downloads > > Cheers, > > Peter. > > On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Darby Edelen wrote: > >> Animated fractal noise to drive a displacement map gives a pretty =20 >> convincing flag distortion. >> >> For the fractal noise I recommend trying the Strings form and =20 >> increasing vertical scale quite a bit. Then you can animate =20 >> evolution, enable perspective offset and animate the transform =20 >> property of the noise in the direction you want your wind flowing. =20= >> That all goes into a precomp. >> >> Then in your main comp use the noise to drive the displacement map =20= >> on your flag graphic. Bonus points if you put the noise comp over =20 >> the flag graphic and use a blend mode like soft light to give it =20 >> some lighting. >> >> On Mar 28, 2012 2:31 PM, "adam mercado" wrote: >> Sure this has been covered a gazzilion times so I apologise if it =20 >> is trite. I've been searching the web for options for creating a =20 >> very stylized flag graphic in AE CS3 on a Mac. I do not need =20 >> realism, just a very ilustritive approximation of a flag motion on =20= >> a pre-comp. >> >> It seems my options are thus: >> upgrade to AE5.5 for $949 to get FreeForm >> get Zaxwerks 3DFlag for $199 >> >> FreeForm Pro is not available for Mac it seems which is too bad as =20= >> the mettle products look super cool. FreeFormAE is no longer =20 >> available from DigiEffects now it is bundled with AE CS5 >> >> Are there nay other options available to me that I missed? Is =20 >> FreeForm worth the extra outlay (aside from the other obvious =20 >> benefits to CS5.5). There is not a huge budget to this project and =20= >> the flag element is one of hundreds. Trying to be economical and =20 >> judicious. >> >> cheers >> >> >> Adam Mercado >> Influxx Media Production >> Fullerton, CA >> >> Moving Images. For Business >> 714=B0928=B09896 >> http://www.influxx.com >> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >> >> >> >> >> > --Apple-Mail-7-435590910 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi all, thanks for the help with this. Should have popped in to say = cheers a few days ago, but...

I ended up just using = the dispalcement map technique; it was quick and easy and fast to = render. The deadline was so short I did not have time to evaluate the = Zax plugins beyond a cursory once over to see if I could immediately get = what I wanted. Plus, despite the client wanting a fully articulated 3D = flag that rolled over on itself to reveal a new flag on the back, that = technique went totally in the face of the show which was all flat vector = kinetic info-graphic style. The disp. map technique suited that better = anyway I thought.

Still, given my druthers I'd = get into FreeForm in a heartbeat, that will happen when I upgrade to CS6 = in the next few weeks.

cheers again for all the = great suggestions



On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Peter McAuley = wrote:

Hi,

And if you want to make = that flag move in 3D space, you might want to take a look at the BCC = Layer Deformer plug-in, which uses AE comp cameras and lights and the = filter's built-in auto-animating vertex shaders to generate 3D plane = shapes that ripple and wave in 3D space (onto which you can map the = static flag image or clip.)

You can download a = free trial of the product here:

=
Cheers,

Peter.

= On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Darby Edelen wrote:

Animated = fractal noise to drive a displacement map gives a pretty convincing flag = distortion.

For the fractal noise I recommend trying the Strings = form and increasing vertical scale quite a bit. Then you can animate = evolution, enable perspective offset and animate the transform property = of the noise in the direction you want your wind flowing. That all goes = into a precomp.

Then in your main comp use the noise to drive the = displacement map on your flag graphic. Bonus points if you put the noise = comp over the flag graphic and use a blend mode like soft light to give = it some lighting.

On Mar 28, 2012 2:31 = PM, "adam mercado" <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
Sure this has been covered a gazzilion = times so I apologise if it is trite. I've been searching the web for = options for creating a very stylized flag graphic in AE CS3 on a Mac. I = do not need realism, just a very ilustritive approximation of a flag = motion on a pre-comp.

It seems my options are = thus:
upgrade to AE5.5 for $949 to get FreeForm
get = Zaxwerks 3DFlag for $199

FreeForm Pro is not = available for Mac it seems which is too bad as the mettle products look = super cool. FreeFormAE is no longer available from DigiEffects now it is = bundled with AE CS5

Are there nay other = options available to me that I missed? Is FreeForm worth the extra = outlay (aside from the other obvious benefits to CS5.5). There is not a = huge budget to this project and the flag element is one of hundreds. = Trying to be economical and judicious.
=

cheers


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media = Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving = Images. For Business
714=B0928=B09896
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