Return-Path: Received: from toroondcbmts08-srv.bellnexxia.net ([207.236.237.42] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4694465 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 24 Apr 2012 02:01:40 +0200 Received: from toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca ([67.69.240.38]) by toroondcbmts08-srv.bellnexxia.net (InterMail vM.8.00.01.00 201-2244-105-20090324) with ESMTP id <20120424000246.SZVD2589.toroondcbmts08-srv.bellnexxia.net@toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca> for ; Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:02:46 -0400 X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Filtered: true X-IronPort-Anti-Spam-Result: ArEBAEnrlU+uXaqK/2dsb2JhbAANHRcDgkamFgGMGgEBAQMBVSkLCwcRLlcGE4gKECq6P44lgkdjBJV6gRGJbDsHAYgD Received: from bas3-montreal50-2925374090.dsl.bell.ca (HELO [192.168.2.12]) ([174.93.170.138]) by toip37-bus.srvr.bell.ca with ESMTP; 23 Apr 2012 20:02:45 -0400 From: Chris Bobotis Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1082) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-336-436280032 Subject: Re: [AE] Flag options in AE CS3 Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 20:02:45 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <4CBF29C2-8554-4105-961E-866F67E18D64@mettle.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1082) --Apple-Mail-336-436280032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Thanks for the kind words Adam. FreeForm is no longer bundled with AE as = of CS6 but there is always FreeForm V2. Same features as the bundled = version but much, much faster especially on i7's. Only $99.00=20 See http://www.mettle.com/Products/FreeForm-V2.php Cheers, Chris mettle.com P.S. When I get a chance I will re-vamp the free flag project files that = go with that. I put it together quickly and it was only meant as a = starting point. So much to do and only 24 hours in a day.... On 2012-04-23, at 7:51 PM, adam mercado wrote: > Hi all, thanks for the help with this. Should have popped in to say = cheers a few days ago, but... >=20 > I ended up just using the dispalcement map technique; it was quick and = easy and fast to render. The deadline was so short I did not have time = to evaluate the Zax plugins beyond a cursory once over to see if I could = immediately get what I wanted. Plus, despite the client wanting a fully = articulated 3D flag that rolled over on itself to reveal a new flag on = the back, that technique went totally in the face of the show which was = all flat vector kinetic info-graphic style. The disp. map technique = suited that better anyway I thought. >=20 > Still, given my druthers I'd get into FreeForm in a heartbeat, that = will happen when I upgrade to CS6 in the next few weeks. >=20 > cheers again for all the great suggestions >=20 >=20 > Adam Mercado > Influxx Media Production > Fullerton, CA >=20 > Moving Images. For Business > 714=B0928=B09896 > http://www.influxx.com > http://www.twitter.com/influxx > http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx > http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive > http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Peter McAuley wrote: >=20 >> Hi, >>=20 >> And if you want to make that flag move in 3D space, you might want to = take a look at the BCC Layer Deformer plug-in, which uses AE comp = cameras and lights and the filter's built-in auto-animating vertex = shaders to generate 3D plane shapes that ripple and wave in 3D space = (onto which you can map the static flag image or clip.) >>=20 >> You can download a free trial of the product here: >>=20 >> borisfx.com/downloads >>=20 >> Cheers, >>=20 >> Peter. >>=20 >> On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Darby Edelen wrote: >>=20 >>> Animated fractal noise to drive a displacement map gives a pretty = convincing flag distortion. >>>=20 >>> For the fractal noise I recommend trying the Strings form and = increasing vertical scale quite a bit. Then you can animate evolution, = enable perspective offset and animate the transform property of the = noise in the direction you want your wind flowing. That all goes into a = precomp. >>>=20 >>> Then in your main comp use the noise to drive the displacement map = on your flag graphic. Bonus points if you put the noise comp over the = flag graphic and use a blend mode like soft light to give it some = lighting. >>>=20 >>> On Mar 28, 2012 2:31 PM, "adam mercado" wrote: >>> Sure this has been covered a gazzilion times so I apologise if it is = trite. I've been searching the web for options for creating a very = stylized flag graphic in AE CS3 on a Mac. I do not need realism, just a = very ilustritive approximation of a flag motion on a pre-comp. >>>=20 >>> It seems my options are thus: >>> upgrade to AE5.5 for $949 to get FreeForm >>> get Zaxwerks 3DFlag for $199 >>>=20 >>> FreeForm Pro is not available for Mac it seems which is too bad as = the mettle products look super cool. FreeFormAE is no longer available = from DigiEffects now it is bundled with AE CS5 >>>=20 >>> Are there nay other options available to me that I missed? Is = FreeForm worth the extra outlay (aside from the other obvious benefits = to CS5.5). There is not a huge budget to this project and the flag = element is one of hundreds. Trying to be economical and judicious. >>>=20 >>> cheers >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> Adam Mercado >>> Influxx Media Production >>> Fullerton, CA >>>=20 >>> Moving Images. For Business >>> 714=B0928=B09896 >>> http://www.influxx.com >>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 Cheers, Chris Mettle.com Skype: Mettlecom --Apple-Mail-336-436280032 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1 http://www.mettle.= com/Products/FreeForm-V2.php

Cheers,
Chris
P.S. When I get a = chance I will re-vamp the free flag project files that go with that. I = put it together quickly and it was only meant as a starting point. So = much to do and only 24 hours in a = day....


On 2012-04-23, at 7:51 = PM, adam mercado wrote:

Hi all, thanks for the help with this. Should have popped in to say = cheers a few days ago, but...

I ended up just using = the dispalcement map technique; it was quick and easy and fast to = render. The deadline was so short I did not have time to evaluate the = Zax plugins beyond a cursory once over to see if I could immediately get = what I wanted. Plus, despite the client wanting a fully articulated 3D = flag that rolled over on itself to reveal a new flag on the back, that = technique went totally in the face of the show which was all flat vector = kinetic info-graphic style. The disp. map technique suited that better = anyway I thought.

Still, given my druthers I'd = get into FreeForm in a heartbeat, that will happen when I upgrade to CS6 = in the next few weeks.

cheers again for all the = great suggestions


On Mar 29, 2012, at 9:56 AM, Peter McAuley = wrote:

Hi,

And if you want to make = that flag move in 3D space, you might want to take a look at the BCC = Layer Deformer plug-in, which uses AE comp cameras and lights and the = filter's built-in auto-animating vertex shaders to generate 3D plane = shapes that ripple and wave in 3D space (onto which you can map the = static flag image or clip.)

You can download a = free trial of the product here:

=
Cheers,

Peter.

= On Mar 28, 2012, at 6:36 PM, Darby Edelen wrote:

Animated = fractal noise to drive a displacement map gives a pretty convincing flag = distortion.

For the fractal noise I recommend trying the Strings = form and increasing vertical scale quite a bit. Then you can animate = evolution, enable perspective offset and animate the transform property = of the noise in the direction you want your wind flowing. That all goes = into a precomp.

Then in your main comp use the noise to drive the = displacement map on your flag graphic. Bonus points if you put the noise = comp over the flag graphic and use a blend mode like soft light to give = it some lighting.

On Mar 28, 2012 2:31 = PM, "adam mercado" <adam@influxx.com> wrote:
Sure this has been covered a gazzilion = times so I apologise if it is trite. I've been searching the web for = options for creating a very stylized flag graphic in AE CS3 on a Mac. I = do not need realism, just a very ilustritive approximation of a flag = motion on a pre-comp.

It seems my options are = thus:
upgrade to AE5.5 for $949 to get FreeForm
get = Zaxwerks 3DFlag for $199

FreeForm Pro is not = available for Mac it seems which is too bad as the mettle products look = super cool. FreeFormAE is no longer available from DigiEffects now it is = bundled with AE CS5

Are there nay other = options available to me that I missed? Is FreeForm worth the extra = outlay (aside from the other obvious benefits to CS5.5). There is not a = huge budget to this project and the flag element is one of hundreds. = Trying to be economical and judicious.
=

cheers


Adam Mercado
Influxx Media = Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving = Images. For Business
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