Return-Path: Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.187] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4710068 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 09 May 2012 16:18:28 +0200 Received: from oxbaltgw11.schlund.de (oxbaltgw11.schlund.de [172.19.246.17]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de (node=mreu4) with ESMTP (Nemesis) id 0MQCLn-1SWETY47wB-004l7s; Wed, 09 May 2012 16:20:04 +0200 Date: Wed, 9 May 2012 16:20:03 +0200 (CEST) From: "mylenium@mylenium.de" Reply-To: "mylenium@mylenium.de" To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <999743900.6551.1336573203802.JavaMail.open-xchange@email.1und1.de> In-Reply-To: References: Subject: Re: [AE] made in CS6 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6550_407845870.1336573203734" X-Priority: 3 Importance: Medium X-Mailer: Open-Xchange Mailer v6.20.0-Rev36 X-Provags-ID: V02:K0:+q60B9G03/bWwbjrhE44OwbPF9uUgJCcGjAl8GWCxCB w9F/Y0883g09qTFEtR3C6MLqm/BrGBDouP84OF0HLqXqeM3FmB F7ScAGMrrquFwDP1AGSd79nH+0woztpZ9W0dcr6qnsLQ/Mr2eL /UZTBG1913VpWX+/asX0bjJs4/PF1yIQqxu6YR68z9B7/Ed8eY yUU3esfvvcN+leHb/H/VvS6r5TVljkoHaf0S9RMOsah9PgUGQa oJEFZTSCijIIhoivmAqpbC5rTaynewDiRUTXOC3QYMkEwd65z5 Pc38YfB9qlstAfqkIz5VIySfCC4WqUqbQz/GxBK5go8WG49W6L cQo1Q5fihQ9Ibm6+uqH9Kz8/HKHP0xcfxjBLH1Fhsz2Guj4CB0 NOf+56pObyzFQrJAIAuR4pVAd5uEPLAIx4= ------=_Part_6550_407845870.1336573203734 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Nobody is arguing the need for some sort of 3D in AE (though not exactly that kind of 3D as far as I'm concerned) and the marketability of such a feature, but seriously, if it takes 40 minutes on a machine with a beefy 4000 series Quadro and an additional Tesla board, then something is severely is askew and one can only wonder why the AE team chose this approach in the first place. I wouldn't even wanna know how long it takes to render this if AE falls back to its software mode. 2 hours? 3 hours? 5 hours? In a day and age where software renderers in 3D programs churn out frames with full global illumination and all the bells and whistles in minutes even without any GPU involvement, what AE has to offer compares poorly. Mylenium [Pour Myl=C3=A8ne, ange sur terre] ----------------------------------------- www.mylenium.de Steve Oakley hat am 9. Mai 2012 um 16:07 geschrieben: > couldn't render anything 3D that way. AE is my app of choice, its what I > have in front of me to use. please keep in mind this is all new for AE - > ray tracing and the start of real 3D. its an entirely new look / > capabilities. for how long have people asked for real 3D in AE ? forever= . > I don't think knocking is right. >=20 > 16 photons was about right. I had done some lower passes and it was too > grainy. not saying that wasn't a good look...I'll go check the project > again. >=20 > I've seen some other really nice work done which will hopefully surface > soon. >=20 > S >=20 > On May 9, 2012, at 8:37 AM, James WIlson wrote: >=20 > > I think 16 photons might be overkill considering the dark nature and > > minimal amount of objects to bounce light off of. Maybe it could have b= een > > rendered in less time with the same results if you took that setting do= wn. > > It does look nice. > >=20 > >=20 > > On May 9, 2012, at 2:47 AM, mylenium@mylenium.de > > wrote: > >=20 > > > Yeah, and the same stuff probably renders in the same time in C4D - > > > without > > > any GPU fancies required and on a 3 year old machine. Ridiculous and > > > nothing to write home about. > > >=20 > > > Mylenium > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > [Pour Myl=C3=A8ne, ange sur terre] > > > ----------------------------------------- > > > www.mylenium.de > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > Steve Oakley < steveo@practicali.com >= hat > > > am 9. Mai 2012 um 07:27 geschrieben: > > >=20 > > > > ok... now that AE CS6 is loose I'll show you some titles I made fo= r my > > > web shows. CS6 rendered with Q4000 + Tesla C2075 in 40 min as I recal= l... > > > thats with cranked up DoF, motion blur, 16 photons / pixel - ie real = nice > > > settings :) its quick, don't blink. totally done in AE > > > > > > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DX-ZNVyGSVIY&feature=3Dyoutu.be > > > > > > >=20 > > >=20 ------=_Part_6550_407845870.1336573203734 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Nobody is arguing the need for some sort of 3D in AE (though not exactly that kind of 3D as far as I'm concerned) and the marketability of such a feature, but seriously, if it takes 40 minutes on a machine with a beefy 4000 series Quadro and an additional Tesla board, then something is severely is askew and one can only wonder why the AE team chose this approach in the first place. I wouldn't even wanna know how long it takes to render this if AE falls back to its software mode. 2 hours? 3 hours? 5 hours? In a day and age where software renderers in 3D programs churn out frames with full global illumination and all the bells and whistles in minutes even without any GPU involvement, what AE has to offer compares poorly.


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Steve Oakley <steveo@practicali.com> hat am 9. Mai 2012 um 16:07 geschrieben:

I don't have or use C4D so I couldn't render anything 3D that way. AE is my app of choice, its what I have in front of me to use. please keep in mind this is all new for AE - ray tracing and the start of real 3D. its an entirely new look / capabilities.  for how long have people asked for real 3D in AE ? forever. I don't think knocking is right.
 
16 photons was about right. I had done some lower passes and it was too grainy. not saying that wasn't a good look...I'll go check the project again.
 
 I've seen some other really nice work done which will hopefully  surface soon.
 
S

On May 9, 2012, at 8:37 AM, James WIlson wrote:

I think 16 photons might be overkill considering the dark nature and minimal amount of objects to bounce light off of. Maybe it could have been rendered in less time with the same results if you took that setting down. It does look nice.
 

On May 9, 2012, at 2:47 AM, mylenium@mylenium.de wrote:

Yeah, and the same stuff probably renders in the same time in C4D - without any GPU fancies required and on a 3 year old machine. Ridiculous and nothing to write home about.

 

Mylenium 

 

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Steve Oakley < steveo@practicali.com > hat am 9. Mai 2012 um 07:27 geschrieben:

> ok... now that  AE CS6 is loose I'll show you some titles I made for my web shows. CS6 rendered with Q4000 + Tesla C2075 in 40 min as I recall... thats with cranked up DoF, motion blur, 16 photons / pixel - ie real nice settings :) its quick, don't blink. totally done in AE
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-ZNVyGSVIY&feature=youtu.be
> 

 
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