Return-Path: Received: from gateway13.websitewelcome.com ([67.18.21.4] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4715920 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Wed, 16 May 2012 08:53:59 +0200 Received: by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix, from userid 5007) id BD4B06034AC79; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gator1184.hostgator.com (gator1184.hostgator.com [174.121.151.98]) by gateway13.websitewelcome.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEC1E6034AC59 for ; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:55:47 -0500 (CDT) Received: from cpe-024-167-166-243.triad.res.rr.com ([24.167.166.243]:56568 helo=Neptune) by gator1184.hostgator.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SUY9D-0000uI-8h; Wed, 16 May 2012 01:55:47 -0500 Reply-To: From: "Stephen van Vuuren" To: "'Dan Ebberts'" , "'After Effects Mail List'" References: <235AC10CC4CA4F0CA37FFCF65D2B1941@HPZ200> In-Reply-To: <235AC10CC4CA4F0CA37FFCF65D2B1941@HPZ200> Subject: RE: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 02:55:29 -0400 Organization: SV2 Studios Message-ID: <006201cd3330$e1c9adb0$a55d0910$@sv2studios.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD330F.5ABB4200" X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook 14.0 Thread-Index: AQK4NklqnwCF6+GxynyA/EmuTuVuoAJkM27DlOLRw8A= Content-Language: en-us X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - gator1184.hostgator.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - sv2studios.com X-BWhitelist: no X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Source-Sender: cpe-024-167-166-243.triad.res.rr.com (Neptune) [24.167.166.243]:56568 X-Source-Auth: stephen@sv2studios.com X-Email-Count: 3 X-Source-Cap: c3RlcGhlbnY7c3RlcGhlbnY7Z2F0b3IxMTg0Lmhvc3RnYXRvci5jb20= This is a multipart message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD330F.5ABB4200 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Just in test form =E2=80=93 volunteers are being recruited to populate = it. Here=E2=80=99s the data. The three distance (MPC or megaparsec) is = due to lack of agreement. I=E2=80=99m thinking of averaging them. =20 Object RA (decimal) Dec (decimal) Distance from HST Release Info (Mpc) Distance from NED (MPC) Distance from Simbad (MPC) M104 189.997633 -11.623054 9 10.39 11.52 NGC 1316 50.673000 -37.209306 23 20.135 21.13 NGC 3310 159.691071 53.503303 18 18.1 18.58 =20 =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: Dan Ebberts [mailto:debberts@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:43 AM To: After Effects Mail List; stephen@sv2studios.com Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 What form is the data in now? The script could certainly do the = conversion from right ascension , declination and distance. Then I = think all you need is to pick a scale factor for the distance to fit = everything into a AE-sized world. How much data is there? =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Stephen van Vuuren =20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:01 PM To: After Effects Mail List =20 Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 Phil, =20 Not in a huge rush and that would certainly get you listed in the = film=E2=80=99s credits =E2=80=93 thanks so much for the offer. Let me = work on the Excel side of things (not that I=E2=80=99m genius there = either but it should be possible) to get it sorted out. =20 I am wondering about the multiplier =E2=80=93 wonder if it needs to be = truly logarithmic giving the size of the universe. The observable = universe is 46 billion light years across, the average galaxy (e.g. = ours) is 100,000 light years, that=E2=80=99s a ratio of 460,000 : 1.=20 =20 Any idea of maximum XYZ values in AE? =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of Phil Spitler Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:43 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 If you can get the data into a spreadsheet into X,Y,Z columns, it would = be easy enough to have a script read each row of x,y,z and apply that to = the position of a layer. =20 I have done a similar thing taking camera data from a motion control rig = into AE. =20 If you are not in a huge rush, I could write the script for you once you = give me a sample of the data. =20 You will probably need some kind of multiplier in there to make the = values fit within you AE world. =20 Phil =20 Phil Spitler | Associate Creative Director | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com = =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On May 15, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: =20 I=E2=80=99m working on the Big Bang section of the film. A local = community college is researching celestial objects that have been = imaged. They provide two pieces of data =E2=80=93 the spherical position = via a value for right ascension & declination. And a distance in = megaparsecs. =20 I need to convert this into a manageable form in AE. Obviously, some = kind of compensation for =20 I found this on converting to XYZ =E2=80=93 but the how to create the = math to work in AE, I=E2=80=99m not sure what is the best way: =20 http://fmwriters.com/Visionback/Issue14/wbputtingstars.htm =20 I don=E2=80=99t know if this should be setup in Excel and then exported = into AE, or some kind of script built =E2=80=93 which is probably beyond = my admittedly poor scripting skills. Thoughts? =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0063_01CD330F.5ABB4200 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Just in test form =E2=80=93 volunteers are being recruited to = populate it. Here=E2=80=99s the data. The three distance (MPC or = megaparsec) is due to lack of agreement. I=E2=80=99m thinking of = averaging them.

 

Object

RA (decimal)

Dec (decimal)

Distance from HST Release Info = (Mpc)

Distance from NED (MPC)

Distance from Simbad (MPC)

M104

189.997633

-11.623054

9

10.39

11.52

NGC 1316

50.673000

-37.209306

23

20.135

21.13

NGC 3310

159.691071

53.503303

18

18.1

18.58

 

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2dcp.com/<= /b>

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/=

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

From:= = Dan Ebberts [mailto:debberts@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, = May 16, 2012 12:43 AM
To: After Effects Mail List; = stephen@sv2studios.com
Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical = positioning in AE (script?)

 

What form is = the data in now? The script could certainly do the conversion from = right ascension ,  declination and distance. Then I think all you = need is to pick a scale factor for the distance to fit everything into a = AE-sized world. How much data is there?

 

Dan

 

 

 

=  

= From:= Stephen van Vuuren =

= Sent:= Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:01 PM

= Subject:= Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE = (script?)

 

Phil,

 

Not in a huge rush and that would certainly get you listed in the = film=E2=80=99s credits =E2=80=93 thanks so much for the offer. Let me = work on the Excel side of things (not that I=E2=80=99m genius there = either but it should be possible) to get it sorted = out.

 

I am wondering about the multiplier =E2=80=93 wonder if it needs to = be truly logarithmic giving the size of the universe. The observable = universe is 46 billion light years across, the average galaxy (e.g. = ours) is 100,000 light years, that=E2=80=99s a ratio of 460,000 : 1. =

 

Any idea of maximum XYZ values in AE?

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= /span>

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/=

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

= From:= After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv] On Behalf Of Phil Spitler
Sent: Tuesday, = May 15, 2012 11:43 PM
To: After Effects Mail = List
Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE = (script?)

 

If you can get the data = into a spreadsheet into X,Y,Z columns, it would be easy enough to have a = script read each row of x,y,z and apply that to the position of a = layer.

 

I have done a similar = thing taking camera data from a motion control rig into = AE.

 

If you are not in a huge = rush, I could write the script for you once you give me a sample of the = data.

 

You will probably need = some kind of multiplier in there to make the values fit within you AE = world.

 

Phil

 

Phil Spitler |   Associate Creative Director  |  = Bonfire Labs |  t : 415.394.8200  |  c : = 415.571.3139  |  Bonfirelabs.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

On May 15, 2012, at 8:21 = PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote:

 

I=E2=80=99m working on the Big Bang section of the film. A local = community college is researching celestial objects that have been = imaged. They provide two pieces of data =E2=80=93 the spherical position = via a value for right ascension & declination. And a distance in = megaparsecs.

 

I need to convert this into a manageable form in AE. Obviously, some = kind of compensation for

 

I found this on converting to XYZ =E2=80=93 but the how to create the = math to work in AE, I=E2=80=99m not sure what is the best = way:

 

 

I don=E2=80=99t know if this should be setup in Excel and then exported = into AE, or some kind of script built =E2=80=93 which is probably beyond = my admittedly poor scripting skills.


Thoughts?

 

stephen van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2studios.com/<= span = style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:black'= >

 

A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later.

=E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick

 

 

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