Return-Path: Received: from qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.40] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4715943 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 16 May 2012 09:25:56 +0200 Received: from omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.60]) by qmta04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AXTH1j0031HpZEsA4XTjY7; Wed, 16 May 2012 07:27:43 +0000 Received: from HPZ200 ([76.20.32.7]) by omta14.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id AXTi1j00g09DSM08aXTjRV; Wed, 16 May 2012 07:27:43 +0000 Message-ID: From: "Dan Ebberts" To: "After Effects Mail List" , References: In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 00:27:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD32FA.B54BF800" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal Importance: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Windows Live Mail 15.4.3538.513 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V15.4.3538.513 This is a multi-part message in MIME format. ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD32FA.B54BF800 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable If you can export the data as a tab-delimited text file, it should be = very straight forward for a script to parse the data and convert it to = xyz space (once you determine a suitable MPC-to-pixel scale factor). Dan From: Stephen van Vuuren=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:55 PM To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) Just in test form =E2=80=93 volunteers are being recruited to populate = it. Here=E2=80=99s the data. The three distance (MPC or megaparsec) is = due to lack of agreement. I=E2=80=99m thinking of averaging them. =20 Object RA (decimal) Dec (decimal) Distance from HST Release Info (Mpc) Distance from NED (MPC) Distance from Simbad (MPC) =20 M104 189.997633 -11.623054 9 10.39 11.52 =20 NGC 1316 50.673000 -37.209306 23 20.135 21.13 =20 NGC 3310 159.691071 53.503303 18 18.1 18.58 =20 =20 =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: Dan Ebberts [mailto:debberts@comcast.net]=20 Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 12:43 AM To: After Effects Mail List; stephen@sv2studios.com Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 What form is the data in now? The script could certainly do the = conversion from right ascension , declination and distance. Then I = think all you need is to pick a scale factor for the distance to fit = everything into a AE-sized world. How much data is there? =20 Dan =20 =20 =20 =20 From: Stephen van Vuuren=20 Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:01 PM To: After Effects Mail List=20 Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 Phil, =20 Not in a huge rush and that would certainly get you listed in the = film=E2=80=99s credits =E2=80=93 thanks so much for the offer. Let me = work on the Excel side of things (not that I=E2=80=99m genius there = either but it should be possible) to get it sorted out. =20 I am wondering about the multiplier =E2=80=93 wonder if it needs to be = truly logarithmic giving the size of the universe. The observable = universe is 46 billion light years across, the average galaxy (e.g. = ours) is 100,000 light years, that=E2=80=99s a ratio of 460,000 : 1.=20 =20 Any idea of maximum XYZ values in AE? =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 From: After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] On Behalf = Of Phil Spitler Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:43 PM To: After Effects Mail List Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE (script?) =20 If you can get the data into a spreadsheet into X,Y,Z columns, it would = be easy enough to have a script read each row of x,y,z and apply that to = the position of a layer. =20 I have done a similar thing taking camera data from a motion control rig = into AE. =20 If you are not in a huge rush, I could write the script for you once you = give me a sample of the data. =20 You will probably need some kind of multiplier in there to make the = values fit within you AE world. =20 Phil =20 Phil Spitler | Associate Creative Director | Bonfire Labs | t : = 415.394.8200 | c : 415.571.3139 | Bonfirelabs.com =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 =20 On May 15, 2012, at 8:21 PM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: =20 I=E2=80=99m working on the Big Bang section of the film. A local = community college is researching celestial objects that have been = imaged. They provide two pieces of data =E2=80=93 the spherical position = via a value for right ascension & declination. And a distance in = megaparsecs. =20 I need to convert this into a manageable form in AE. Obviously, some = kind of compensation for =20 I found this on converting to XYZ =E2=80=93 but the how to create the = math to work in AE, I=E2=80=99m not sure what is the best way: =20 http://fmwriters.com/Visionback/Issue14/wbputtingstars.htm =20 I don=E2=80=99t know if this should be setup in Excel and then exported = into AE, or some kind of script built =E2=80=93 which is probably beyond = my admittedly poor scripting skills. Thoughts? =20 stephen van vuuren 336.202.4777 =20 http://www.sv2dcp.com/ http://www.sv2studios.com/ http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ =20 A film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, = what=E2=80=99s behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. =E2=80=93Stanley Kubrick =20 =20 ------=_NextPart_000_0004_01CD32FA.B54BF800 Content-Type: text/html; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If you can export the data as a tab-delimited text file, it should = be very=20 straight forward for a script to parse the data and convert it to xyz = space=20 (once you determine a suitable MPC-to-pixel scale factor).
 
Dan
 
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 11:55 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE=20 (script?)
 

Just=20 in test form =E2=80=93 volunteers are being recruited to populate it. = Here=E2=80=99s the data.=20 The three distance (MPC or megaparsec) is due to lack of agreement. = I=E2=80=99m thinking=20 of averaging them.

 

Object

RA=20 (decimal)

Dec=20 (decimal)

Distance=20 from HST Release Info (Mpc)

Distance=20 from NED (MPC)

Distance=20 from Simbad (MPC)

M104

189.997633

-11.623054

9

10.39

11.52

NGC=20 1316

50.673000

-37.209306

23

20.135

21.13

NGC=20 3310

159.691071

53.503303

18

18.1

18.58

 

 

stephen=20 van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/

 

A=20 film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a=20 progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the = emotion, the=20 meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley=20 Kubrick

 

From: Dan = Ebberts=20 [mailto:debberts@comcast.net]
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2012 = 12:43=20 AM
To: After Effects Mail List;=20 stephen@sv2studios.com
Subject: Re: [AE] Astronomical = positioning in=20 AE (script?)

 

What form is = the data=20 in now? The script could certainly do the conversion from right=20 ascension ,  declination and distance. Then I think all you need is = to pick=20 a scale factor for the distance to fit everything into a AE-sized world. = How=20 much data is there?

 

Dan

 

 

 

 

From: Stephen van=20 Vuuren

Sent:=20 Tuesday, May 15, 2012 9:01 PM

To: After=20 Effects Mail List

Subject: Re:=20 [AE] Astronomical positioning in AE=20 (script?)

 

Phil,

 

Not=20 in a huge rush and that would certainly get you listed in the = film=E2=80=99s credits =E2=80=93=20 thanks so much for the offer. Let me work on the Excel side of things = (not that=20 I=E2=80=99m genius there either but it should be possible) to get it = sorted=20 out.

 

I=20 am wondering about the multiplier =E2=80=93 wonder if it needs to be = truly logarithmic=20 giving the size of the universe. The observable universe is 46 billion = light=20 years across, the average galaxy (e.g. ours) is 100,000 light years, = that=E2=80=99s a=20 ratio of 460,000 : 1.

 

Any=20 idea of maximum XYZ values in AE?

 

stephen=20 van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/

 

A=20 film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a=20 progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the = emotion, the=20 meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley=20 Kubrick

 

From: After=20 Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-mo= tion.tv]=20 On Behalf Of Phil Spitler
Sent: Tuesday, May 15, 2012 = 11:43=20 PM
To: After Effects Mail List
Subject: Re: [AE]=20 Astronomical positioning in AE = (script?)

 

If you can get the = data into a=20 spreadsheet into X,Y,Z columns, it would be easy enough to have a script = read=20 each row of x,y,z and apply that to the position of a=20 layer.

 

I have done a similar = thing taking=20 camera data from a motion control rig into = AE.

 

If you are not in a = huge rush, I=20 could write the script for you once you give me a sample of the=20 data.

 

You will probably need = some kind=20 of multiplier in there to make the values fit within you AE=20 world.

 

Phil

 

Phil=20 Spitler |   Associate Creative Director  |  Bonfire = Labs=20 |  t : 415.394.8200  |  c : 415.571.3139  | =20 Bonfirelabs.com

 

 

 

 

 

 

On May 15, 2012, at = 8:21 PM,=20 Stephen van Vuuren wrote:

 

I=E2=80=99m=20 working on the Big Bang section of the film. A local community college = is=20 researching celestial objects that have been imaged. They provide two = pieces of=20 data =E2=80=93 the spherical position via a value for right ascension = & declination.=20 And a distance in megaparsecs.

 

I=20 need to convert this into a manageable form in AE. Obviously, some kind = of=20 compensation for

 

I=20 found this on converting to XYZ =E2=80=93 but the how to create the math = to work in AE,=20 I=E2=80=99m not sure what is the best way:

 

http:= //fmwriters.com/Visionback/Issue14/wbputtingstars.htm

 

I=20 don=E2=80=99t know if this should be setup in Excel and then exported = into AE, or some=20 kind of script built =E2=80=93 which is probably beyond my admittedly = poor scripting=20 skills.


Thoughts?

 

stephen=20 van vuuren

336.202.4777

 

http://www.sv2dcp.com/

http://www.sv2studios.com/

http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/

 

A=20 film is =E2=80=93 or should be =E2=80=93 more like music than like = fiction. It should be a=20 progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=E2=80=99s behind the = emotion, the=20 meaning, all that comes later.

=E2=80=93Stanley=20 Kubrick

 

 

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