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From: Robert Kjettrup To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=14dae9d719762e039504c054b610 X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQl7eUt5I/2mDpYe+/j/YPoUnWGwyzogjkq/JxGEs4bpDGr2L1suhP4eKhC0QtyCa82FaujS --14dae9d719762e039504c054b610 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi I am about to upgrade to something newer than my current workstation in the next 3 months time, and was considering a raid 0 SSD for a system+programs drive, a 4-6 raid 0 harddisk raid for scratch/proxy drive. But with the new cache system, is it then better to get 1 SSD drive for cache just for the better seek times on an SSD vs regular harddrive raid? What about the FusionIO ioFX "drives" that Steve Forde seemed to endorse at NAB, is the seek times on that so much better that it is worth the price primium. and how does that stack up to the intel SSD 910? ( http://www.anandtech.com/show/5743/intels-ssd-910-400800gb-mlchet-pcie-shipping-in-1h-2012 ) my projects and mediafiles are on a server and/or local attached SAS raid-6 drives, depending on project size/speed reqirements. Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV Mayday Mobil: 25 18 95 16 Mail: robert@stvmayday.dk 2012/5/18 Nathan Shipley > Quick version: +1 to the setup Chris describes. I use it and it's fast. > Get an extra small SSD if you can for scratch space. 64 GB ones are about > $80. > > Details version: My latest Mac Pro rig is basically set up like Chris > describes: has a a 256GB SSD for system boot, a 64 GB SSD for > scratch/temp/previews space, and a 1 TB drive for active projects. As > Chris mentions, it would be nice to drop another 1 TB drive and set up a > RAID array on my projects drive, but, overall, the system is really fast > and I'm happy with the performance. System startup and application startup > times are an after-thought. 32 GB of RAM keeps AE fast for multi-processor > renders and a 9 TB RAID NAS does Time Machine backups and archives projects. > > I'm mainly using AE, Nuke, Maya, and a little bit of Premiere. > > If I only had one SSD, I'd make it the system drive and scratch space. > Just such a difference in interactivity starting programs. > > I'd use the same setup if I was using a PC. It's a good configuration and > worth the cost of more expensive SSDs. Both on the workstation and my > laptop, installing SSDs has been the most impactful upgrade I've done in > the last few years. > > - N > > > On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Robert Houghton wrote: > >> I was leaning towards no 1 myself. I do editing about 10% of the timeso that would make sense. The only downside is that I will have to keep >> that system drive lean and clean since space is so limited on SSDs. The one >> I'm getting will be about 120GB decisions, decisions. Thanks for the >> insight Chris. >> >> >> -Rob >> >> ------------------- >> Robert Houghton >> Houghton Media >> Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animationwww.houghtonmedia.com >> >> >> On 5/18/2012 8:12 AM, Chris Meyer wrote: >> >> The thread others in Adobe pointed me to on this issue is here: >> >> http://forums.adobe.com/thread/662972 >> >> The advice there is Premiere-centric, but in short, for 3 drives, one >> for OS and programs, one for media and projects, and the SSD for previews, >> cache, and exports. >> >> Four drives is preferred, with 2 of them in a RAID 0. Then the advice >> is a solo drive for OS and programs, the SSD for cache, and the RAID for >> media, projects, previews, and exports. >> >> Regardless, SSD for caches. >> >> If you were going 3 drives, and almost exclusively AE, your first >> choice for configuration was good, as AE is more serial in nature than >> Premiere. >> >> - Chris >> >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Robert Houghton wrote: >> >> Primarily After Effects although I have been working more Premiere Pro >> into my workflow as of late. I will be adding a GTX580 to the system which >> helps both applications. >> >> -Rob >> >> ------------------- >> Robert Houghton >> Houghton Media >> Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animationwww.houghtonmedia.com >> >> >> On 5/17/2012 9:28 PM, Chris Meyer wrote: >> >> When you say "for CS6", are you talking just After Effects, or multiple >> programs in the suite? >> >> - Chris >> >> >> >> On May 17, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Robert Houghton wrote: >> >> So what would be the ideal arrangement for CS6 then if there were 2 >> 7200rpm drives and one 120GB SSD? >> >> SSD System disc/Cache >> 2x 7200 HDD Raid 0 for Media? >> >> or >> >> 7200 HDD for System >> SSD all by itself for cache >> 7200 HDD for media? >> >> Or would it be worth it to buy a fourth drive (either SSD or 7200rpm >> drive) The former for System and the latter for striping with the other >> 7200rpm drive for media? >> >> -Rob >> >> ------------------- >> Robert Houghton >> Houghton Media >> Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animationwww.houghtonmedia.com >> >> >> On 5/17/2012 5:41 PM, Brian Higgins wrote: >> >> Agreed. You might be able to scrub around a little more smoothly, but >> I'd skip it unless you're doing stereo 4K work or something similarly >> bandwidth intensive. >> >> -bH >> >> On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dan Ramirez wrote: >> >>> A single 6g SSD is orders of magnitude faster than a comparable 7200rpm >>> drive. I'd skip RAID, but I tend to avoid complexity when I can. >>> >>> On May 17, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Carey Dissmore >>> wrote: >>> >>> > I'm starting to spec out a new machine and an SSD for the cache is >>> definitely in order. It'll be 6G SATA-connected at minimum, but I'm >>> actually considering perhaps RAID-0 stripe of two 6G SSD's to improve >>> performance and reduce latency all-the-more. Anyone have any thoughts on >>> how much of a difference that would make in AE? Worth doing? Assume fully >>> modern mobo/chipset machine. >>> > >>> > carey >>> > >>> > On May 17, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Rendernyc wrote: >>> > >>> >> You can set your disk cache to a folder for each project but would >>> have to change this manually when u switch projects in the prefs. >>> >> >>> >> The cache will clear itself out when it starts getting full based on >>> age >>> >> >>> >> Just remember the cache files aren't project dependent. If you have a >>> comp that is cached in multiple aep's it uses the single cached frames for >>> all. >>> >> >>> >> On May 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Michael Malone wrote: >>> >> >>> >>> The new persistent disk cache is super awesome and will only get >>> better when I get a dedicated SSD. One thing that would make it even better >>> is the ability to clear the cache based on a particular project. I'm always >>> juggling several projects at once and when I finish one I would like to >>> clear the cache of that project. >>> >>> >>> >>> Although, I guess it isn't that important as the old stuff will get >>> flushed as new stuff happens. Still might be handy. I wonder if that kind >>> of thing is scriptable? >>> >>> >>> >>> mike >>> >>> >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> >>> >> +---End of message---+ >>> >> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> > >>> > >>> > +---End of message---+ >>> > To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >>> +---End of message---+ >>> To unsubscribe send any message to >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> brian higgins | senior vfx artist >> Sol Design >> 312.706.5500 >> higgins@soldesignfx.com >> soldesignfx.com >> >> >> >> >> >> > --14dae9d719762e039504c054b610 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi

I am about to upgrade to something newer than my curr= ent workstation in the next 3 months time, and was considering a raid 0 SSD= for a system+programs drive, a 4-6 raid 0 harddisk raid for scratch/proxy = drive.=A0
But with the new cache system, is it then better to get 1 SSD drive fo= r cache just for the better seek times on an SSD vs regular harddrive raid?=
What about the FusionIO ioFX "drives" that Steve Forde= seemed to endorse at NAB, is the seek times on that so much better that it= is worth the price primium. and how does that stack up to the intel SSD 91= 0? (http://www.anandtech.com/show/5743/intels-s= sd-910-400800gb-mlchet-pcie-shipping-in-1h-2012)
my projects and mediafiles are on a server and/or local attached SAS r= aid-6 drives, depending on project size/speed reqirements.



Robert Kjettrup / Grafiker / STV = Mayday
Mobil: 25 18 95 16
Mail: robert@s= tvmayday.dk


2012/5/18 Nathan Shipley <nshipley@gma= il.com>
Quick version:=A0 +1 to the setup Chris describes.=A0 I use it and it's= fast.=A0 Get an extra small SSD if you can for scratch space.=A0 64 GB one= s are about $80.

Details version:=A0 My latest Mac Pro rig is basica= lly set up like Chris describes:=A0 has a a 256GB SSD for system boot, a 64= GB SSD for scratch/temp/previews space, and a 1 TB drive for active projec= ts.=A0 As Chris mentions, it would be nice to drop another 1 TB drive and s= et up a RAID array on my projects drive, but, overall, the system is really= fast and I'm happy with the performance.=A0 System startup and applica= tion startup times are an after-thought.=A0 32 GB of RAM keeps AE fast for = multi-processor renders and a 9 TB RAID NAS does Time Machine backups and a= rchives projects.

I'm mainly using AE, Nuke, Maya, and a little bit of Premiere.
<= br>If I only had one SSD, I'd make it the system drive and scratch spac= e.=A0 Just such a difference in interactivity starting programs.

I'd use the same setup if I was using a PC.=A0 It's a good configur= ation and worth the cost of more expensive SSDs.=A0 Both on the workstation= and my laptop, installing SSDs has been the most impactful upgrade I'v= e done in the last few years.

- N


On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Robert Houghton <g= fxguy74@gmail.com> wrote:
=20 =20 =20
I was leaning towards no 1 myself. I do editing about 10% of the time so that would make sense. The only downside is that I will have to keep that system drive lean and clean since space is so limited on SSDs. The one I'm getting will be about 120GB decisions, decisions. Thanks fo= r the insight Chris.


=A0=A0=A0 -Rob
-------------------
Robert Houghton
Houghton Media
Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animation
www.houghtonmedi=
a.com

On 5/18/2012 8:12 AM, Chris Meyer wrote:
The thread others in Adobe pointed me to on this issue is here:


The advice there is Premiere-centric, but in short, for 3 drives, one for OS and programs, one for media and projects, and the SSD for previews, cache, and exports.

Four drives is preferred, with 2 of them in a RAID 0. Then the advice is a solo drive for OS and programs, the SSD for cache, and the RAID for media, projects, previews, and exports.

Regardless, SSD for caches.=A0

If you were going 3 drives, and almost exclusively AE, your first choice for configuration was good, as AE is more serial in nature than Premiere.=A0

=A0- Chris

=A0=A0=A0
On May 17, 2012, at 10:32 PM, Robert Houghton wrote:

=20
Primarily After Effects although I have been working more Premiere Pro into my workflow as of late. I will be adding a GTX580 to the system which helps both applications.

=A0=A0=A0 -Rob
 
-------------------
Robert Houghton
Houghton Media
Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animation
www.houghtonmed=
ia.com

On 5/17/2012 9:28 PM, Chris Meyer wrote:
When you say "for CS6", a= re you talking just After Effects, or multiple programs in the suite?=A0

=A0- Chris



On May 17, 2012, at 8:11 PM, Robert Houghton wrote:

=20
So what would be the ideal arrangement for CS6 then if there were 2 7200rpm drives and one 120GB SSD?
SSD System disc/Cache
2x 7200 HDD Raid 0 for Media?

or

7200 HDD for System
SSD all by itself for cache
7200 HDD for media?

Or would it be worth it to buy a fourth drive (either SSD or 7200rpm drive) The former for System and the latter for striping with the other 7200rpm drive for media?

=A0=A0=A0 -Rob
 
-------------------
Robert Houghton
Houghton Media
Motion Graphics, Compositing, Animation
www.houghtonmed=
ia.com

On 5/17/2012 5:41 PM, Brian Higgins wrote:
Agreed. =A0You might be a= ble to scrub around a little more smoothly, but I'd skip it unless you're doing stereo 4K work or something similarly bandwidth intensive. =A0

-bH

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 7:39 PM, Dan Ramirez <ramirezdan@= gmail.com> wrote:
A single 6g SSD is orders of magnitude faster than a comparable 7200rpm drive. I'd skip RAID, but I tend to avoid complexity when I can.

On May 17, 2012, at 11:22 AM, Carey Dissmore <carey@imugonline.com> wrote:

> I'm starting to spec out a new machine and an SSD for the cache is definitely in order. It'll be 6G SATA-connected at minimum, but I'm actually considering perhaps RAID-0 stripe of two 6G SSD's to improve performance and reduce latency all-the-more. Anyone have any thoughts on how much of a difference that would make in AE? Worth doing? Assume fully modern mobo/chipset machine.
>
> carey
>
> On May 17, 2012, at 1:13 PM, Rendernyc wrote:
>
>> You can set your disk cache to a folder for each project but would have to change this manually when u switch projects in the prefs. >>
>> The cache will clear itself out when it starts getting full based on age
>>
>> Just remember the cache files aren't project dependent. If you have a comp that is cached in multiple aep's it uses the single cached frames for all.
>>
>> On May 17, 2012, at 2:03 PM, Michael Malone <mmalone@mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The new persistent disk cache is super awesome and will only get better when I get a dedicated SSD. One thing that would make it even better is the ability to clear the cache based on a particular project. I'm always juggling severa= l projects at once and when I finish one I would like to clear the cache of that project.
>>>
>>> Although, I guess it isn't that important as the old stuff will get flushed as new stuff happens. Still might be handy. I wonder if that kind of thing is scriptable?
>>>
>>> mike
>>>
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