Return-Path: Received: from mail-vb0-f41.google.com ([209.85.212.41] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4725416 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:19:10 +0200 Received: by vbbey12 with SMTP id ey12so1409681vbb.28 for ; Sat, 26 May 2012 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com; s=20120113; h=from:mime-version:content-type:subject:date:in-reply-to:to :references:message-id:x-mailer:x-gm-message-state; bh=XvaxuNoMPc+/UGrg/qDUX+pIWAXdRaHXq967nKM0cSU=; b=NkAjpL+FH1PJYxWyVDYnquNA1tlJCEieSW04Qy6EP0LqR6ZbambIEAF5C9UmhWBgln plrHT8XLTxZcugcbOkxA8gK3+e8pKXkiJjo49wVBxJgPe8paWObn/GxQ2pKIjV0v7QkX 3zyXKWdEnCYyakMwGIp4B6QDY9GUwVmqDtlugszWGy6Qn2ZlYG1OxMvpPGqjv17c6f+3 G9pZLJLmKEFoyEzDmCaNFtVIdXQDofiMH10IilgYQFMh9JhphKfnUlLMud8wGE3LH4w3 GxUlaxTl47Eg6Yw51b5/6ku/lVgrB1JKoH1w8j3PxXTsvCAT2sHuCAY6P0s6nl25jrJ7 SNyQ== Received: by 10.52.180.232 with SMTP id dr8mr2974446vdc.111.1338063677394; Sat, 26 May 2012 13:21:17 -0700 (PDT) Return-Path: Received: from [192.168.0.17] (cpe-69-200-232-11.nyc.res.rr.com. [69.200.232.11]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id by2sm10733369vdb.22.2012.05.26.13.21.15 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=OTHER); Sat, 26 May 2012 13:21:16 -0700 (PDT) From: Alex Czetwertynski Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-179--1020778847 Subject: Re: [AE] CS6, Animation codec & trillions of colors ? Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 16:21:13 -0400 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <11C647D4-2E49-4627-9C8B-6933569DA10C@disciplefilms.com> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQls+lVl8MT1KrlOPJuFst5MOByq6xjl2iOIdEZY25Tvb4ecaFmTFswiuPRq+NPWRNju6B6r --Apple-Mail-179--1020778847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii A lot of people/facilities/devices prefer animation than any of the more = "modern" codecs.. For example Windows based media servers (Pandora's box, Hippotizer, = etc...) will prefer an Animation QT than a ProRes. Also don't you need to own ProRes? If you don't have FCP installed, is = ProRes completely free to read and write on both Windows and Mac? Alex On May 26, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Michael Malone wrote: > I'm old school. Been doing this since AE version 1. Old habits die = hard and, before ProRes, it was the most accessible codec that supported = alphas (not counting image sequences of course). >=20 > I do use ProRes quite a bit. Odd thing is, I swear that to my old eyes = the Animation codec shows slightly less banding issues then ProRes 4444. = At 100% quality Animation is lossless while ProRes is always lossy = (although very good at it). And according to some quick internet = research, Animation is supposed to support higher then 8 bits. In AE 5 = it does let me select trillions of colors. I just checked. It may not be = doing anything though. >=20 > At any rate, this is all academic. ProRes is the modern day codec of = choice and the file size savings is huge. I have to FTP all my work. >=20 > Thanks for the insights. >=20 > mike >=20 > On May 26, 2012, at 12:35 pm, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >=20 >> I haven't used the animation codec for years. I'm really surprised = when I see so many people still are using this codec. You know that = codec was created in 1990 or so and while it was great at the time and = even handled an alpha channel, it is a 20 some year old codec. It is 8 = bits so don't bother trying to render trillions of colors with it. = ProRes 4444 is a wonderful codec and is a higher data rate than ProRes = HQ and also provides a straight alpha.=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-179--1020778847 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii A lot = of people/facilities/devices prefer animation than any of the more = "modern" codecs..
For example Windows based media servers (Pandora's = box, Hippotizer, etc...) will prefer an Animation QT than a = ProRes.

Also don't you need to own ProRes? =  If you don't have FCP installed, is ProRes completely free to read = and write on both Windows and = Mac?

Alex

On May 26, = 2012, at 4:19 PM, Michael Malone wrote:

I'm old school. Been doing this = since AE version 1. Old habits die hard and, before ProRes, it was the = most accessible codec that supported alphas (not counting image = sequences of course).

I do use ProRes quite a bit. = Odd thing is, I swear that to my old eyes the Animation codec shows = slightly less banding issues then ProRes 4444. At 100% quality Animation = is lossless while ProRes is always lossy (although very good at it). And = according to some quick internet research, Animation is supposed to = support higher then 8 bits. In AE 5 it does let me select trillions of = colors. I just checked. It may not be doing anything = though.

At any rate, this is all academic. = ProRes is the modern day codec of choice and the file size savings is = huge. I have to FTP all my work.

Thanks for the = insights.

mike

On May = 26, 2012, at 12:35 pm, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:

I haven't = used the animation codec for years. I'm really surprised when I see so = many people still are using this codec. You know that codec was created = in 1990 or so and while it was great at the time and even handled an = alpha channel, it is a 20 some year old codec. It is 8 bits so don't = bother trying to render trillions of colors with it. ProRes 4444 is a = wonderful codec and is a higher data rate than ProRes HQ and also = provides a straight alpha. 


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