Return-Path: Received: from p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net ([72.167.82.90] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with SMTP id 4725427 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Sat, 26 May 2012 22:50:29 +0200 Received: (qmail 31795 invoked from network); 26 May 2012 20:52:37 -0000 Received: from unknown (166.147.116.221) by p3plsmtpa01-10.prod.phx3.secureserver.net (72.167.82.90) with ESMTP; 26 May 2012 20:52:36 -0000 Subject: Re: [AE] CS6, Animation codec & trillions of colors ? References: From: Greg Balint Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-228C95A7-574E-4562-A29D-D225539716D1 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9A405) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: Date: Sat, 26 May 2012 16:52:52 -0400 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Return-Path: --Apple-Mail-228C95A7-574E-4562-A29D-D225539716D1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii No ProRes on PC unfortunately. =20 I THINK it's importable though. But no export options.=20 I use QT PNG codec for all my very lossless looking alpha channeled needs. I= t's much smaller than Animation codec, and looks just the same as far as I a= nd my clients can tell.=20 ////Greg Balint ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer delRAZOR.com/ On May 26, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Alex Czetwertynski wro= te: > A lot of people/facilities/devices prefer animation than any of the more "= modern" codecs.. > For example Windows based media servers (Pandora's box, Hippotizer, etc...= ) will prefer an Animation QT than a ProRes. >=20 > Also don't you need to own ProRes? If you don't have FCP installed, is Pr= oRes completely free to read and write on both Windows and Mac? >=20 > Alex >=20 > On May 26, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Michael Malone wrote: >=20 >> I'm old school. Been doing this since AE version 1. Old habits die hard a= nd, before ProRes, it was the most accessible codec that supported alphas (n= ot counting image sequences of course). >>=20 >> I do use ProRes quite a bit. Odd thing is, I swear that to my old eyes th= e Animation codec shows slightly less banding issues then ProRes 4444. At 10= 0% quality Animation is lossless while ProRes is always lossy (although very= good at it). And according to some quick internet research, Animation is su= pposed to support higher then 8 bits. In AE 5 it does let me select trillion= s of colors. I just checked. It may not be doing anything though. >>=20 >> At any rate, this is all academic. ProRes is the modern day codec of choi= ce and the file size savings is huge. I have to FTP all my work. >>=20 >> Thanks for the insights. >>=20 >> mike >>=20 >> On May 26, 2012, at 12:35 pm, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >>=20 >>> I haven't used the animation codec for years. I'm really surprised when I= see so many people still are using this codec. You know that codec was crea= ted in 1990 or so and while it was great at the time and even handled an alp= ha channel, it is a 20 some year old codec. It is 8 bits so don't bother try= ing to render trillions of colors with it. ProRes 4444 is a wonderful codec a= nd is a higher data rate than ProRes HQ and also provides a straight alpha.=20= >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-228C95A7-574E-4562-A29D-D225539716D1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
No ProRes on PC unfortunat= ely.  

I THINK it's importable though. But no e= xport options. 

I use QT PNG codec for all my v= ery lossless looking alpha channeled needs. It's much smaller than Animation= codec, and looks just the same as far as I and my clients can tell. 
////Greg Balint
///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
delRAZOR.com/

On= May 26, 2012, at 4:21 PM, Alex Czetwertynski <alex@disciplefilms.com> wrote:

A lot of people/facilities/devices prefer a= nimation than any of the more "modern" codecs..
For example Windows base= d media servers (Pandora's box, Hippotizer, etc...) will prefer an Animation= QT than a ProRes.

Also don't you need to own ProRe= s?  If you don't have FCP installed, is ProRes completely free to read a= nd write on both Windows and Mac?

Alex
On May 26, 2012, at 4:19 PM, Michael Malone wrote:

I'm old school. Been doing this since AE version 1. Old habits die= hard and, before ProRes, it was the most accessible codec that supported al= phas (not counting image sequences of course).

I do use P= roRes quite a bit. Odd thing is, I swear that to my old eyes the Animation c= odec shows slightly less banding issues then ProRes 4444. At 100% quality An= imation is lossless while ProRes is always lossy (although very good at it).= And according to some quick internet research, Animation is supposed to sup= port higher then 8 bits. In AE 5 it does let me select trillions of colors. I= just checked. It may not be doing anything though.

At any rate, this is all academic. ProRes is the modern day codec of choice= and the file size savings is huge. I have to FTP all my work.
Thanks for the insights.

mike

On May 26, 2012, at 12:35 pm, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:
I haven't u= sed the animation codec for years. I'm really surprised when I see so many p= eople still are using this codec. You know that codec was created in 1990 or= so and while it was great at the time and even handled an alpha channel, it= is a 20 some year old codec. It is 8 bits so don't bother trying to render t= rillions of colors with it. ProRes 4444 is a wonderful codec and is a higher= data rate than ProRes HQ and also provides a straight alpha. 

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