Return-Path: Received: from host6.canaca.com ([66.49.160.142] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4731902 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 18:47:08 +0200 Received: from 207-195-100-23.regn.static.sasknet.sk.ca ([207.195.100.23] helo=[192.168.1.28]) by host6.canaca.com with esmtpsa (TLSv1:AES128-SHA:128) (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SaV2T-0007Ms-F5 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 01 Jun 2012 12:49:25 -0400 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] Working with still sequences References: From: Jack Tunnicliffe Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-459777E1-580E-46F8-918B-DEA0177BCFE6 X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) In-Reply-To: Message-Id: <5BCDEB4C-CB08-42CC-9B4B-77F064812430@javapost.ca> Date: Fri, 1 Jun 2012 10:46:36 -0600 To: After Effects Mail List Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - host6.canaca.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - media-motion.tv X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [47 12] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - javapost.ca X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: --Apple-Mail-459777E1-580E-46F8-918B-DEA0177BCFE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We are running a couple of suites with GTX 285's and one with a Quadro 4000.= These all work with Davinci and AE CS6. There are only a couple of cards that work for Mac. We found ours on eBay at= good prices but make sure they are the Mac versions. Jack Tunnicliffe www.javapost.ca www.caffeineproductions.ca Sent from my Apple iPhone On 2012-06-01, at 12:04 AM, Jonathan Penzner wrote: > Which card, is that, Jack? the 580? >=20 > I believe I read here that Color doesn't work under OS X Lion =E2=80=93 on= e more reason I'm not rushing to go to Lion =E2=80=93 but I've been interest= ed in DaVinci for a while so this may be the kicker. >=20 >=20 > Jonathan >=20 >=20 > On May 31, 2012, at 3:58 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote: >=20 >> Here's one suggestion, Chris and it may not be a good one for you, but Da= vinci Resolve, even the free version will playback image sequences in full H= D with stereo 24 bit audio. If your client just needs to screen the image se= quence with you, this is one way to go. The one gotcha is that you will nee= d a Cuda card that works with Resolve, but if your are running CS6 like me, y= ou'll likely want a Cuda card for 3D work in AE. I"ve chosen a card that giv= es me performance in Davinci and in AE and doesn't cost an arm and leg.=20 >>=20 >> Jack Tunnicliffe >> Java Post Production >> www.javapost.ca >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On May 31, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Chris Zwar wrote: >>=20 >>> Hi, >>>=20 >>> I always work with tiff sequences because we have a render farm, and unf= ortunately there's always that extra step of converting them into a quicktim= e for playback with audio, which always seems to be SUPER URGENT because the= producer needs it NOW! >>>=20 >>> If you want to work in an editing package, or play back with audio then y= ou'll need to render to quicktime for best performance - especially if you'r= e working with uncompressed or 16 bit tiffs. There's no real way around tha= t, even jpg sequences can get a bit choppy if the resolution is high enough.= >>>=20 >>> I started a thread a few months ago trying to find the fastest way to co= nvert an image sequence to a quicktime, and oddly enough I discovered that m= ost of the time After Effects with multi-processing on is the quickest. FFm= peg, which is free but requires some basic command-line knowledge, can be fa= ster on long image sequences and has the advantage of doing a great h264 com= pression. Our render farm (deadline) can automatically start an FFmpeg comp= ression when an image sequence has finished rendering. >>>=20 >>> I was working on an image sequence that was over 50,000 frames long and h= ave never had any issues with directories, OS X or the SAN. I have had issu= es with file paths being longer than 256 characters, but I've never had any t= echnical issues related to the number of files in a directory. >>>=20 >>> Quicktime 7 is very slow to open image sequences - when you get a really= long sequence it can take longer just to open the sequence in quicktime 7 t= han it does to render it out in AE - that's before you even begin exporting.= >>>=20 >>> Compressor is better but there's still that initial delay - I assume it'= s counting frames and checking they're all there or something. >>>=20 >>> So basically - if you want real-time playblack then you'll have to go to= quicktime first, and while ffmpeg is free but it's a bit of a handful if yo= u're not used to it, but After Effects with multi-processing on is a good op= tion. >>>=20 >>>=20 >>> -Chris >>>=20 >>> On 01/06/2012, at 4:18 AM, adam mercado wrote: >>>=20 >>>> I have a 14 minute sequence exported as a TIFF sequence. Trying to comp= ile this with the mastered audio and working with the still sequence is very= very slow. Importing into QuickTime, FinalCut or Premier causes hugely exce= ssive lag times as the program processes every frame. >>>>=20 >>>> Is there a way to optimise this process short of exporting a flattened Q= uickTime movie and deleting the TIFF framed afterwards, which would seem a l= ittle redundant after all. >>>>=20 >>>> Adam Mercado >>>> Influxx Media Production >>>> Fullerton, CA >>>>=20 >>>> Moving Images. For Business >>>> 714=C2=B0928=C2=B09896 >>>> http://www.influxx.com >>>> http://www.twitter.com/influxx >>>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/influxx >>>> http://influxx.tumblr.com/archive >>>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/influxx >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >=20 >=20 > JONATHAN PENZNER > SUNDANCE/REALTIME > VIDEO EDITING =E2=80=A2 MOTION GRAPHICS =E2=80=A2 DESIGN >=20 > | STUDIO 626 345-0285 | > | CELL 818 321-2890 | >=20 > SUREAL@CHARTER.NET >=20 --Apple-Mail-459777E1-580E-46F8-918B-DEA0177BCFE6 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
We are running a couple of= suites with GTX 285's and one with a Quadro 4000. These all work with Davin= ci and AE CS6.

There are only a couple of cards tha= t work for Mac. We found ours on eBay at good prices but make sure they are t= he Mac versions.

Jack Tunnicliffe

Sent from my Apple iPhone

On 2012-06-= 01, at 12:04 AM, Jonathan Penzner <= sureal@charter.net> wrote:

Which card, is that, Jack? the 580?

I believe I read here that Color doesn't work under OS X Lion =E2=80=93 on= e more reason I'm not rushing to go to Lion =E2=80=93 but I've been interest= ed in DaVinci for a while so this may be the kicker.


Jonathan


On May 31, 2012,= at 3:58 PM, Jack Tunnicliffe wrote:

Here's one sugge= stion, Chris and it may not be a good one for you, but Davinci Resolve, even= the free version will playback image sequences in full HD with stereo 24 bi= t audio. If your client just needs to screen the image sequence  with y= ou, this is one way to go. The one gotcha is that you will need a Cuda card t= hat works with Resolve, but if your are running CS6 like me, you'll likely w= ant a Cuda card for 3D work in AE. I"ve chosen a card that gives me performa= nce in Davinci and in AE and doesn't cost an arm and leg. 

= Jack Tunnicliffe
Java Post Production
www.javapost.ca



On May 31, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Chris Zwar wrote:

Hi,

I always work with tiff sequences because we ha= ve a render farm, and unfortunately there's always that extra step of conver= ting them into a quicktime for playback with audio, which always seems to be= SUPER URGENT because the producer needs it NOW!

If= you want to work in an editing package, or play back with audio then you'll= need to render to quicktime for best performance - especially if you're wor= king with uncompressed or 16 bit tiffs.  There's no real way around tha= t, even jpg sequences can get a bit choppy if the resolution is high enough.=

I started a thread a few months ago trying to find= the fastest way to convert an image sequence to a quicktime, and oddly enou= gh I discovered that most of the time After Effects with multi-processing on= is the quickest.  FFmpeg, which is free but requires some basic comman= d-line knowledge, can be faster on long image sequences and has the advantag= e of doing a great h264 compression.  Our render farm (deadline) can au= tomatically start an FFmpeg compression when an image sequence has finished r= endering.

I was working on an image sequence that w= as over 50,000 frames long and have never had any issues with directories, O= S X or the SAN.  I have had issues with file paths being longer than 25= 6 characters, but I've never had any technical issues related to the number o= f files in a directory.

Quicktime 7 is very slow to= open image sequences - when you get a really long sequence it can take long= er just to open the sequence in quicktime 7 than it does to render it out in= AE - that's before you even begin exporting.

Compr= essor is better but there's still that initial delay - I assume it's countin= g frames and checking they're all there or something.

So basically - if you want real-time playblack then you'll have to go to q= uicktime first, and while ffmpeg is free but it's a bit of a handful if you'= re not used to it, but After Effects with multi-processing on is a good opti= on.


-Chris

= On 01/06/2012, at 4:18 AM, adam mercado wrote:

I have a 14 minute sequence exported as a TIFF sequence. Trying to compile t= his with the mastered audio and working with the still sequence is very very= slow. Importing into QuickTime, FinalCut or Premier causes hugely excessive= lag times as the program processes every frame.

Is there= a way to optimise this process short of exporting a flattened QuickTime mov= ie and deleting the TIFF framed afterwards, which would seem a little redund= ant after all.

Adam Mercado
Influxx Medi= a Production
Fullerton, CA

Moving Images. For Business
714=C2=B0928=C2= =B09896
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