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From: Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com>
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Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer?
Date: Wed, 6 Jun 2012 20:59:51 -0600
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I think the biggest thing for users to wrap their heads around is that =
the After Effects team has far, far, far fewer resources than most =
assume, given the overall size and presumed might of Adobe. Which is =
criminal (the lack of resources; not user perceptions); it also =
magnifies the pain if any misstep is made in allocating those precious =
few resources.

 - Chris


On Jun 6, 2012, at 1:19 PM, Greg Balint wrote:

> Alright. I'll concede on my arguments of side parties influencing the =
dev teams.=20
>=20
> I guess the biggest thing for users to wrap their heads around is that =
this is just step one of many to improve the feature. AE team doesn't =
seem to do this all the time. It's not like we have improvements on the =
puppet pin feature or cartoon effect, or graph editor after those were =
implemented, so it's generally assumed this will be the basis on the =
feature for versions to come, with just small tweaks and additions made =
to it in the future instead of seeing it revamped and changed completely =
for version 2.0 of the feature. =20
>=20
> ////Greg Balint
> ///Art Director / Motion Graphics Designer
> delRAZOR.com/
>=20
> On Jun 6, 2012, at 3:05 PM, pixelbot@comcast.net wrote:
>=20
>> it reminds me of the implementation of GI in cinema 4d - everybody =
had to have it and then when it was put in everybody bitched and moaned =
and now it is highly usable and refined. I can't imagine it won't get =
better in further updates, baby steps.
>>=20
>> timt
>>=20
>> From: "Todd Kopriva" <kopriva@adobe.com>
>>=20
>>=20
>> When thinking about the 3D features in After Effects CS6, it's =
important to realize that we consider this feature set a single step on =
a path. Are we done? No. Is it perfect? No. But we were able to =
introduce a much-requested feature in a way that satisfies a lot of =
people.
>>=20
>> One interesting point of note: In the 11.0.1 update, we added fixes =
to support a third-party 3D renderer (AtomKraft from JupiterJazz). You =
should see this as an indication that we did a lot of work to the guts =
of After Effects C6 to enable future 3D advances, and we already have =
third parties taking advantage of this.
>>=20
>> So, please do keep the feature requests coming. Don't think that =
we're foolish enough to assume that our current 3D feature set is =
perfect and then criticize us based on that false assumption. Rather, =
help us to take the next step on this path that we just started down.
>>=20


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<html><head></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">I =
think the biggest thing for users to wrap their heads around is that the =
After Effects team has far, far, far fewer resources than most assume, =
given the overall size and presumed might of Adobe. Which is criminal =
(the lack of resources; not user perceptions); it also magnifies the =
pain if any misstep is made in allocating those precious few =
resources.<div><br></div><div>&nbsp;- =
Chris<br><div><br></div><div><br><div><div>On Jun 6, 2012, at 1:19 PM, =
Greg Balint wrote:</div><br =
class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div =
bgcolor=3D"#FFFFFF"><div>Alright. I'll concede on my arguments of side =
parties influencing the dev teams.&nbsp;</div><div><br></div><div>I =
guess the biggest thing for users to wrap their heads around is that =
this is just step one of many to improve the feature. AE team doesn't =
seem to do this all the time. It's not like we have improvements on the =
puppet pin feature or cartoon effect, or graph editor after those were =
implemented, so it's generally assumed this will be the basis on the =
feature for versions to come, with just small tweaks and additions made =
to it in the future instead of seeing it revamped and changed completely =
for version 2.0 of the feature. &nbsp;<br><br>////Greg Balint<div>///Art =
Director / Motion Graphics Designer</div><div><a =
href=3D"http://delRAZOR.com/">delRAZOR.com/</a></div></div><div><br>On =
Jun 6, 2012, at 3:05 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:pixelbot@comcast.net">pixelbot@comcast.net</a> =
wrote:<br><br></div><div></div><blockquote type=3D"cite"><div><div =
style=3D"font-family: Arial; font-size: 12pt; color: #000000">it reminds =
me of the implementation of GI in cinema 4d - everybody had to have it =
and then when it was put in everybody bitched and moaned and now it is =
highly usable and refined. I can't imagine it won't get better in =
further updates, baby steps.<div><br></div><div>timt<br><br><hr =
id=3D"zwchr"><b>From: </b>"Todd Kopriva" &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:kopriva@adobe.com">kopriva@adobe.com</a>&gt;<br><b><br></b>=
<br>When thinking about the 3D features in After Effects CS6, it's =
important to realize that we consider this feature set a single step on =
a path. Are we done? No. Is it perfect? No. But we were able to =
introduce a much-requested feature in a way that satisfies a lot of =
people.<br><br>One interesting point of note: In the 11.0.1 update, we =
added fixes to support a third-party 3D renderer (AtomKraft from =
JupiterJazz). You should see this as an indication that we did a lot of =
work to the guts of After Effects C6 to enable future 3D advances, and =
we already have third parties taking advantage of this.<br><br>So, =
please do keep the feature requests coming. Don't think that we're =
foolish enough to assume that our current 3D feature set is perfect and =
then criticize us based on that false assumption. Rather, help us to =
take the next step on this path that we just started =
down.<br><br></div></div></div></blockquote></div></blockquote></div><br><=
/div></div></body></html>=

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