Return-Path: Received: from [208.97.132.66] (HELO homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4738795 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 18:45:16 +0200 Received: from homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5C4CF77806E for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=louai.org; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to: content-type; q=dns; s=louai.org; b=jnTZ5sPYS+uGEXjLLqD9yWAiE82X z9zG86hmfbN1IcNY/EEZEEqnjN+Fa+Zj/++SRx6HknHlh8ZoNwA2kkhhxAp+d4VS AA78fXDS+L4kZUCNSNDKlOkrdvv+VfeTJWdHBIG5WaPIIPvCxAx7XMKZdwtis35o QZigW0OkIi4rf/w= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=louai.org; h=mime-version :in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to: content-type; s=louai.org; bh=u+nz3zAFMfqpdzLmdYxg/bZnGH4=; b=gv oz8wYC060slcN1s0FI1wkydU+627STfIK+eShSD119aOK5BOVCg6I3SkJCWX8sHC uNx5hZFVNovN36eP6nzCxDp80DzVjVvznWnAKXc7kWCCq8FdWGpY1sdWtDEx2CiG 6mE+nUbBcUvbjVf30XvELKfXdw40JoFkc6Oy4AyDM= Received: from mail-yw0-f41.google.com (mail-yw0-f41.google.com [209.85.213.41]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: me@louai.org) by homiemail-a36.g.dreamhost.com (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 115BB77805F for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:47:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: by yhr47 with SMTP id 47so587933yhr.28 for ; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:47:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.50.94.166 with SMTP id dd6mr1616932igb.11.1339087665958; Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:47:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.50.213.5 with HTTP; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 09:47:15 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Louai Abu-Osba Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 12:47:15 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=e89a8f235485a7104b04c1e4a476 --e89a8f235485a7104b04c1e4a476 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Wouldn't it be nice if Apple engaged it's procustomers like this? :) On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, rendernyc wrote: > At this point in time the quadro 4000 is the only card with CUDA for the > macpro that is supported by apple > > so.... > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < > aemaillist@broadcastgems.com> wrote: > >> Hi Dan, I believe you meant to address me instead of Robert. >> >> Firstly, I never questioned the quality nor the integrity of the results >> you obtained from the two-month long survey. My point was that it was a >> rather short period of time + there are Adobe employees, evangelists and >> sales folks who I assume are out there with customers throughout the year >> and these two groups of people should be soliciting info on a constant >> basis. >> >> As for the testing, again, this is where the video evangelists and >> related sales folks could have helped out. >> >> BTW, I got myself a GTX680, a week after it was released. I'm pleased >> with it and especially how quackly the AE Team got it approved for CS6. I >> am however concerned for others who may have purchased a Quadro, thinking >> that it's the best card for CS6 because that's what Adobe has been saying, >> consistently, in their CS6-related videos. I don't see this as being fair >> to AE users nor to the AE Team. The Quadro's are not the best card for CS6 >> but that has been the consistent message thus far. They may have been the >> most tested but to say anything more is not correct. >> >> Todd has more or less agreed with my sentiments. Hopefully, users will >> get a more balanced, constructive view directly from Adobe in future videos. >> >> Cheers >> - Roland >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Daniel Ramirez" >> To: "After Effects Mail List" >> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:52:34 PM >> Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? >> >> Robert, we flew people in an airplane to talk with customers about this >> potential decision. If you want to equate that with survey monkey, or >> simply don't want to believe it, there's nothing I can do to change your >> mind. >> >> >> The Quadro 4000 card was the most extensively tested card we used in the >> CS6 cycle. We have limited testing resources and we chose to focus on >> testing and certifying their professional level graphics cards. Those >> videos probably mention quadro because they're likely using a system the >> AE team recommended. We're not going to recommend configurations we >> haven't extensively tested. If we decided to invest more time in testing >> ray-traced 3D, we could have focused on benchmarking the quadro vs. the >> gtx, but we decided to focus on testing things like our new caching >> model and the 3D camera tracker instead. You mentioned CS6 was a good >> release so I figure we made the right trade-offs. >> >> >> No one is preventing you from using a cheaper card and I'm thrilled >> there are lower cost alternatives that meet the needs of our users. We >> take pride in offering a tool used by artists that can compete with much >> more expensive solutions. >> >> >> >> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < >> aemaillist@broadcastgems.com > wrote: >> >> >> >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >> > > > > -- > danny princz > > exposedideas.com > --e89a8f235485a7104b04c1e4a476 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Wouldn't it be nice if Apple engaged it's procustomers like this? := )

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:43 PM, render= nyc <rendernyc@gmail.com> wrote:
At this point in time the quadro 4000 is the= only card with CUDA for the macpro that is supported by apple

so....

O= n Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) = <aemai= llist@broadcastgems.com> wrote:
Hi Dan, I believe you meant to address me in= stead of Robert.

Firstly, I never questioned the quality nor the integrity of the results yo= u obtained from the two-month long survey. My point was that it was a rathe= r short period of time + there are Adobe employees, evangelists and sales f= olks who I assume are out there with customers throughout the year and thes= e two groups of people should be soliciting info on a constant basis.

As for the testing, again, this is where the video evangelists and related = sales folks could have helped out.

BTW, I got myself a GTX680, a week after it was released. I'm pleased w= ith it and especially how quackly the AE Team got it approved for CS6. I am= however concerned for others who may have purchased a Quadro, thinking tha= t it's the best card for CS6 because that's what Adobe has been say= ing, consistently, in their CS6-related videos. I don't see this as bei= ng fair to AE users nor to the AE Team. The Quadro's are not the best c= ard for CS6 but that has been the consistent message thus far. They may hav= e been the most tested but to say anything more is not correct.

Todd has more or less agreed with my sentiments. Hopefully, users will get = a more balanced, constructive view directly from Adobe in future videos.
Cheers
- Roland


----- Original Message -----
From: "Daniel Ramirez" <ramirezdan@gmail.com>
To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:52:34 PM
Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer?

Robert, we flew people in an airplane to talk with customer= s about this
potential decision. If you want to equate that with survey monkey, or
simply don't want to believe it, there's nothing I can do to change= your
mind.


The Quadro 4000 card was the most extensively tested card we used in the CS6 cycle. We have limited testing resources and we chose to focus on
testing and certifying their professional level graphics cards. Those
videos probably mention quadro because they're likely using a system th= e
AE team recommended. We're not going to recommend configurations we
haven't extensively tested. If we decided to invest more time in testin= g
ray-traced 3D, we could have focused on benchmarking the quadro vs. the
gtx, but we decided to focus on testing things like our new caching
model and the 3D camera tracker instead. You mentioned CS6 was a good
release so I figure we made the right trade-offs.


No one is preventing you from using a cheaper card and I'm thrilled
there are lower cost alternatives that meet the needs of our users. We
take pride in offering a tool used by artists that can compete with much more expensive solutions.



On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) <
aemaillis= t@broadcastgems.com > wrote:



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