Return-Path: Received: from omta3.brinkster.com ([65.182.109.103] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP-TLS id 4739014 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Fri, 08 Jun 2012 00:25:47 +0200 Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by omta3.brinkster.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F0221C1194B for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:28:16 -0700 (MST) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at omta3.brinkster.com Received: from omta3.brinkster.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (omta3.brinkster.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id LEKzuh01lAoD for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from mta8.brinkster.com (unknown [65.182.109.87]) by omta3.brinkster.com (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 424BC1C11234 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:28:15 -0700 (MST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by mta8.brinkster.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E54851F400D for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:28:14 -0400 (EDT) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at mta8.brinkster.com Received: from mta8.brinkster.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mta8.brinkster.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id gt3mmc-AUZzt for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mail5c.brinkster.com (mail5c.brinkster.com [10.0.6.192]) by mta8.brinkster.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 98E141F4008 for ; Thu, 7 Jun 2012 18:28:09 -0400 (EDT) Date: Thu, 7 Jun 2012 15:28:07 -0700 (MST) From: "Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK)" To: After Effects Mail List Message-ID: <26304250.506158.1339108087617.JavaMail.root@mail5c.brinkster.com> In-Reply-To: Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Originating-IP: [220.255.2.38] X-Mailer: Zimbra 6.0.6_GA_2332.RHEL4 (ZimbraWebClient - SAF3 (Win)/6.0.6_GA_2324.RHEL5) There are four approved Mac nVidia cards and I believe this has been the case since CS6 was launched. Here's the list - http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/tech-specs.html BTW, the list hasn't been updated to include additional cards approved in the 11.0.1 update. Todd, is this the case or is my browser cache playing its usual tricks again? Cheers - Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "rendernyc" To: "After Effects Mail List" Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 12:43:37 AM Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? At this point in time the quadro 4000 is the only card with CUDA for the macpro that is supported by apple so.... On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < aemaillist@broadcastgems.com > wrote: Hi Dan, I believe you meant to address me instead of Robert. Firstly, I never questioned the quality nor the integrity of the results you obtained from the two-month long survey. My point was that it was a rather short period of time + there are Adobe employees, evangelists and sales folks who I assume are out there with customers throughout the year and these two groups of people should be soliciting info on a constant basis. As for the testing, again, this is where the video evangelists and related sales folks could have helped out. BTW, I got myself a GTX680, a week after it was released. I'm pleased with it and especially how quackly the AE Team got it approved for CS6. I am however concerned for others who may have purchased a Quadro, thinking that it's the best card for CS6 because that's what Adobe has been saying, consistently, in their CS6-related videos. I don't see this as being fair to AE users nor to the AE Team. The Quadro's are not the best card for CS6 but that has been the consistent message thus far. They may have been the most tested but to say anything more is not correct. Todd has more or less agreed with my sentiments. Hopefully, users will get a more balanced, constructive view directly from Adobe in future videos. Cheers - Roland ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Ramirez" < ramirezdan@gmail.com > To: "After Effects Mail List" < AE-List@media-motion.tv > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:52:34 PM Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? Robert, we flew people in an airplane to talk with customers about this potential decision. If you want to equate that with survey monkey, or simply don't want to believe it, there's nothing I can do to change your mind. The Quadro 4000 card was the most extensively tested card we used in the CS6 cycle. We have limited testing resources and we chose to focus on testing and certifying their professional level graphics cards. Those videos probably mention quadro because they're likely using a system the AE team recommended. We're not going to recommend configurations we haven't extensively tested. If we decided to invest more time in testing ray-traced 3D, we could have focused on benchmarking the quadro vs. the gtx, but we decided to focus on testing things like our new caching model and the 3D camera tracker instead. You mentioned CS6 was a good release so I figure we made the right trade-offs. No one is preventing you from using a cheaper card and I'm thrilled there are lower cost alternatives that meet the needs of our users. We take pride in offering a tool used by artists that can compete with much more expensive solutions. On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < aemaillist@broadcastgems.com > wrote: +---End of message---+ To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-off@media-motion.tv > -- danny princz exposedideas.com