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From: rendernyc To: After Effects Mail List Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d04389093e9d8c204c1e998a0 --f46d04389093e9d8c204c1e998a0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 um yeah, there are 4 but only one is the 4000 is a currently shipping card. the 4800 can be found again, older and slower 285 also slower and hard to find and if you do itll cost as much as a 580 On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Chris Meyer wrote: > On Jun 7, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) wrote: > > > There are four approved Mac nVidia cards and I believe this has been the > case since CS6 was launched. Here's the list - > > http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/tech-specs.html > > To be fair, the 4800FX is now old (expensive and underpowered compared to > the 4000), and the CX is ancient. And the GTX 285 is hardly a 580 or 590. > > On Jun 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote: > > > That page hasn't yet been updated to add the GTX 680, the card that we > added with the 11.0.1 update. > > I'm assuming that officially, that's a Windows-only card? (Would be happy > to be wrong.) > > and statistics - > Chris > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "rendernyc" > > To: "After Effects Mail List" > > Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 12:43:37 AM > > Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? > > > > At this point in time the quadro 4000 is the only card with CUDA for the > > macpro that is supported by apple > > > > > > so.... > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < > > aemaillist@broadcastgems.com > wrote: > > > > > > Hi Dan, I believe you meant to address me instead of Robert. > > > > Firstly, I never questioned the quality nor the integrity of the results > > you obtained from the two-month long survey. My point was that it was a > > rather short period of time + there are Adobe employees, evangelists and > > sales folks who I assume are out there with customers throughout the > > year and these two groups of people should be soliciting info on a > > constant basis. > > > > As for the testing, again, this is where the video evangelists and > > related sales folks could have helped out. > > > > BTW, I got myself a GTX680, a week after it was released. I'm pleased > > with it and especially how quackly the AE Team got it approved for CS6. > > I am however concerned for others who may have purchased a Quadro, > > thinking that it's the best card for CS6 because that's what Adobe has > > been saying, consistently, in their CS6-related videos. I don't see this > > as being fair to AE users nor to the AE Team. The Quadro's are not the > > best card for CS6 but that has been the consistent message thus far. > > They may have been the most tested but to say anything more is not > > correct. > > > > Todd has more or less agreed with my sentiments. Hopefully, users will > > get a more balanced, constructive view directly from Adobe in future > > videos. > > > > Cheers > > > > - Roland > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Daniel Ramirez" < ramirezdan@gmail.com > > > To: "After Effects Mail List" < AE-List@media-motion.tv > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:52:34 PM > > Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer? > > > > > > > > Robert, we flew people in an airplane to talk with customers about this > > potential decision. If you want to equate that with survey monkey, or > > simply don't want to believe it, there's nothing I can do to change your > > mind. > > > > > > The Quadro 4000 card was the most extensively tested card we used in the > > CS6 cycle. We have limited testing resources and we chose to focus on > > testing and certifying their professional level graphics cards. Those > > videos probably mention quadro because they're likely using a system the > > AE team recommended. We're not going to recommend configurations we > > haven't extensively tested. If we decided to invest more time in testing > > ray-traced 3D, we could have focused on benchmarking the quadro vs. the > > gtx, but we decided to focus on testing things like our new caching > > model and the 3D camera tracker instead. You mentioned CS6 was a good > > release so I figure we made the right trade-offs. > > > > > > No one is preventing you from using a cheaper card and I'm thrilled > > there are lower cost alternatives that meet the needs of our users. We > > take pride in offering a tool used by artists that can compete with much > > more expensive solutions. > > > > > > > > On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) < > > aemaillist@broadcastgems.com > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-off@media-motion.tv > > > > > > > > > > > -- danny princz > > > > exposedideas.com > > > > +---End of message---+ > > To unsubscribe send any message to > > > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to > -- danny princz exposedideas.com --f46d04389093e9d8c204c1e998a0 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable um yeah, there are 4 but only one is the 4000 is a currently shipping card.= the 4800 can be found again, older and slower
285 also slower and hard= to find and if you do itll cost as much as a 580

On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 6:38 PM, Chris Meyer <chris@crishdesign.com> wrote:
On Jun 7, 2012, at 4:28 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) wrot= e:

> There are four approved Mac nVidia cards and I believe this has been t= he case since CS6 was launched. Here's the list -
> http://www.adobe.com/products/aftereffects/tech-specs.ht= ml

To be fair, the 4800FX is now old (expensive and underpowered compare= d to the 4000), and the CX is ancient. And the GTX 285 is hardly a 580 or 5= 90.

On Jun 7, 2012, at 4:29 PM, Todd Kopriva wrote:

> That page hasn't yet been updated to add the GTX 680, the card tha= t we added with the 11.0.1 update.

I'm assuming that officially, that's a Windows-only card? (Wo= uld be happy to be wrong.)

and statistics -
Chris




> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "rendernyc" <rendernyc@gmail.com>
> To: "After Effects Mail List" <AE-List@media-motion.tv>
> Sent: Friday, June 8, 2012 12:43:37 AM
> Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer?
>
> At this point in time the quadro 4000 is the only card with CUDA for t= he
> macpro that is supported by apple
>
>
> so....
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:29 PM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) <
> aemaillist@broadcastge= ms.com > wrote:
>
>
> Hi Dan, I believe you meant to address me instead of Robert.
>
> Firstly, I never questioned the quality nor the integrity of the resul= ts
> you obtained from the two-month long survey. My point was that it was = a
> rather short period of time + there are Adobe employees, evangelists a= nd
> sales folks who I assume are out there with customers throughout the > year and these two groups of people should be soliciting info on a
> constant basis.
>
> As for the testing, again, this is where the video evangelists and
> related sales folks could have helped out.
>
> BTW, I got myself a GTX680, a week after it was released. I'm plea= sed
> with it and especially how quackly the AE Team got it approved for CS6= .
> I am however concerned for others who may have purchased a Quadro,
> thinking that it's the best card for CS6 because that's what A= dobe has
> been saying, consistently, in their CS6-related videos. I don't se= e this
> as being fair to AE users nor to the AE Team. The Quadro's are not= the
> best card for CS6 but that has been the consistent message thus far. > They may have been the most tested but to say anything more is not
> correct.
>
> Todd has more or less agreed with my sentiments. Hopefully, users will=
> get a more balanced, constructive view directly from Adobe in future > videos.
>
> Cheers
>
> - Roland
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Daniel Ramirez" < ramirezdan@gmail.com >
> To: "After Effects Mail List" < AE-List@media-motion.tv >
>
> Sent: Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:52:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [AE] Why a raytraced renderer?
>
>
>
> Robert, we flew people in an airplane to talk with customers about thi= s
> potential decision. If you want to equate that with survey monkey, or<= br> > simply don't want to believe it, there's nothing I can do to c= hange your
> mind.
>
>
> The Quadro 4000 card was the most extensively tested card we used in t= he
> CS6 cycle. We have limited testing resources and we chose to focus on<= br> > testing and certifying their professional level graphics cards. Those<= br> > videos probably mention quadro because they're likely using a syst= em the
> AE team recommended. We're not going to recommend configurations w= e
> haven't extensively tested. If we decided to invest more time in t= esting
> ray-traced 3D, we could have focused on benchmarking the quadro vs. th= e
> gtx, but we decided to focus on testing things like our new caching > model and the 3D camera tracker instead. You mentioned CS6 was a good<= br> > release so I figure we made the right trade-offs.
>
>
> No one is preventing you from using a cheaper card and I'm thrille= d
> there are lower cost alternatives that meet the needs of our users. We=
> take pride in offering a tool used by artists that can compete with mu= ch
> more expensive solutions.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Roland Kahlenberg (RoRK) <
> aemaillist@broadcastge= ms.com > wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> +---End of message---+
> To unsubscribe send any message to < ae-list-off@media-motion.tv >
>
>
>
>
> -- danny princz
>
> exposedideas.com=
>
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