Return-Path: Received: from st11p02mm-asmtpout003.mac.com ([17.172.220.238] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4744645 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 20:34:25 +0200 MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: multipart/alternative; boundary="Boundary_(ID_Z8ZEwaueDgr93ZGZ5GSvLw)" Received: from [10.10.134.31] (68.65.72.90.static-ip.telepacific.net [68.65.72.90]) by st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com (Oracle Communications Messaging Server 7u4-24.01(7.0.4.24.0) 64bit (built Jan 3 2012)) with ESMTPSA id <0M5I001RBP1RG1A0@st11p02mm-asmtp003.mac.com> for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Tue, 12 Jun 2012 18:37:05 +0000 (GMT) X-Proofpoint-Virus-Version: vendor=fsecure engine=2.50.10432:5.7.7855,1.0.260,0.0.0000 definitions=2012-06-12_06:2012-06-12,2012-06-12,1970-01-01 signatures=0 X-Proofpoint-Spam-Details: rule=notspam policy=default score=0 spamscore=0 ipscore=0 suspectscore=2 phishscore=0 bulkscore=0 adultscore=0 classifier=spam adjust=0 reason=mlx scancount=1 engine=6.0.2-1012030000 definitions=main-1206120190 From: Chris Bator Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro 15" just announced - with kepler GPU Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2012 11:37:02 -0700 In-reply-to: To: After Effects Mail List References: Message-id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1278) --Boundary_(ID_Z8ZEwaueDgr93ZGZ5GSvLw) Content-type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I have been wondering how these screen will work, and now I can't = wait to see these retina screens=E2=80=A6. they must be amazing. I am = really really happy to see this feature, the 1920x1200 resolution of my = 17 inch mbp is hard to read and I can't imagine wanting to read much on = a 15 inch screen at that size=E2=80=A6. To me, this explains the death of the 17 form factor. Same resolution = (better actually) in a lighter smaller faster more portable machine=E2=80=A6= . Just add monitor as before=E2=80=A6. Anyone seen these in Apple stores yet? - chris -- chris bator cbator@mac.com=09 http://www.ui.somebug.com http://www.linkedin.com/in/chrisbator interactive and motion design On Jun 12, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Evan Fotis wrote: > Default scaling will inevitably have a hit in performance. > Apparently not even at the native retina res there is no scaling: > = http://www.anandtech.com/show/5996/how-the-retina-display-macbook-pro-hand= les-scaling >> Apple offers five scaled settings including the default pixel doubled = option: 1024 x 640, 1280 x 800, 1440 x 900, 1680 x 1050 and 1920 x 1200. = Selecting any of these options gives you the effective desktop = resolution of the setting, but Apple actually renders the screen at a = higher resolution and scales it to fit the 2880 x 1800 panel. As a = result of the upscaled rendering, there can be a performance and quality = impact. It's also worth noting there's no default option for 2880 x = 1800, which is understandable given just how tiny text would be at that = resolution. I suspect it won't be long before users figure out how to = manually add a zero-scale, 2880 x 1800 option.=20 >=20 >=20 > On 12-Jun-12 00:52, Elliot Steele wrote: >>=20 >> Evan, unless an application has been re-written for the retina = display it will use pixel-doubling to look the same as on a non-retina = display. >>=20 >> Elliot >>=20 >>=20 >> Am 11/06/2012 23:47 schrieb "Evan Fotis" unter = : >>=20 >> I have and indeed it does look absolutely fantastic, and I'm all = for new high res screens, especially to emulate printed material. >> But there first must be a major overhaul in all OS & apps to be = resolution independent. >> In the current state of things ultra high res in small displays just = makes it hard to use for productivity, with menus & text being too small = & hard to read. >> =20 >> =20 >> On 11-Jun-12 23:24, Teddy Gage wrote:=20 >> If you have used the new iPad you'd know that comment doesn't hold = water. It's even more pixels, in higher density, on an even smaller = screen and it looks absolutely fantastic >> =20 >> =20 >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Evan Fotis = wrote: >> =20 >> Using Kepler nvidia GT 650M for the macbook yet keeping 2 year old = Ati's for the macpro??? >> =20 >> As for the retina display, at last IPS on a macbook pro, but $400 = overhead to the non retina version is a 24" IPS monitor itself.. >> And as Stephen mentioned al these pixels are great but crammed in 15 = inches won't be very productive. >> I had a 15" Dell Precision 1920x1200 once and I needed a magnifying = glass or glue to the screen to see what was going on ... >> There is no option for antiglare for the retina model, just a note = in the features that it is antiglare?=20 >> =20 >>=20 >> On 11-Jun-12 22:53, Gergely Szabo wrote: >> =20 >> Same graphic card? :S >> =20 >> I hoped there will be at least a smaller quadro card or other = Nvidia... >> =20 >> Maybe I don't find the important information on the site but no = USB3? Thunderbolt? >> =20 >> I guess the next hardware announcement will be an iMac like the Z1 = and after that they will kill the MacPro. >> =20 >> =20 >> Stephen van Vuuren =EF=BF=BDrta: >> =20 >>=20 >> > Looks awesome. I was hoping to hear something about an updated = (maybe rack-mountable) Mac Pro, but no such luck. >> =20 >> I=EF=BF=BDm not sure if it=EF=BF=BDs awesome or not. That many = pixels on a 15=EF=BF=BD screen? Even with OS and app support, it may be = just amount to really expensive text smoothing. Other than text, I=EF=BF=BD= ve not seen really compelling usage models with Retina screens in phones = and tabs for photo and video. The rest of the updates are not any = different the myriad other notebook announcements of late. >> =20 >> Have to admit, even though I only Hackintosh as my primary boxes are = Win, I=EF=BF=BDm a surprised at no new Mac Pro. I mean, I can understand = not a whole new case etc. but dropping in updated motherboard, PSU, = CPUs, video, USB3 etc. would not have been a very big effort for Apple. = That=EF=BF=BDs not a great sign as later summer and fall announcements = for Apple are probably iPhone related for holiday season. >> =20 >> =20 >> I wonder if there is not some serious internal debate about this = since Ars Technica and other sites claimed to have insider info on new = Mac Pros. >> =20 >> *stephen van vuuren* >> =20 >> 336.202.4777 =20 >> =20 >> * * >> =20 >> *http://www.sv2dcp.com/* >> =20 >> *http://www.sv2studios.com/* >> =20 >> *http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/* >> =20 >> * * >> =20 >> /A film is =EF=BF=BD or should be =EF=BF=BD more like music than = like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The = theme, what=EF=BF=BDs behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes = later./ >> =20 >> =EF=BF=BD*Stanley Kubrick* >> =20 >> *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv] *On = Behalf Of *Russel Fairley >> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 3:24 PM >> *To:* After Effects Mail List >> *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro 15" just announced - = with kepler GPU >> =20 >> Looks awesome. I was hoping to hear something about an updated = (maybe rack-mountable) Mac Pro, but no such luck. >> =20 >> = ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> =20 >> *From:* Byron Nash > >> *To:* After Effects Mail List > >> *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 3:12:41 PM >> *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro 15" just announced - = with kepler GPU >> =20 >> Love the resolution of that display. Pixels galore! >> =20 >> No word on the Mac Pro's huh? >> =20 >> On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Teddy Gage > wrote: >> =20 >> http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078215/apple-stub-etc-whatevs >> =20 >> looks amazing. retina display, ssd hard drive, quad core i7 and a = kepler 650 GT, with 7 hours of battery life. I'm not much of an Apple = guy for workstations but I do think they make the best laptops in the = industry. Glad I waited to update my 2010 mbp. Also glad they decided to = switch back to nVidia graphics. >> =20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com = >> Brooklyn >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> +---End of message---+ >> To unsubscribe send any message to >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 >> =20 >> =20 >> =20 >> --=20 >> Animator & Editor >> www.teddygage.com =20 >> Brooklyn >> =20 >> =20 >>=20 --Boundary_(ID_Z8ZEwaueDgr93ZGZ5GSvLw) Content-type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-transfer-encoding: quoted-printable Ok, I = have been wondering how these screen will work, and now I can't wait to = see these retina screens=E2=80=A6. they must be amazing. I am really = really happy to see this feature, the 1920x1200 resolution of my 17 inch = mbp is hard to read and I  can't imagine wanting to read much on a = 15 inch screen at that size=E2=80=A6.

To me, this = explains the death of the 17 form factor. Same resolution (better = actually) in a lighter smaller faster more portable machine=E2=80=A6. = Just add monitor as before=E2=80=A6.

Anyone = seen these in Apple stores = yet?



- = chris



On Jun 12, 2012, at 6:00 AM, Evan Fotis wrote:

=20 =20
Default scaling will inevitably have a hit in performance.
Apparently not even at the native retina res there is no = scaling:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5996/how-the-retina-dis= play-macbook-pro-handles-scaling
Apple offers five scaled settings = including the default pixel doubled option: 1024 x 640, 1280 x 800, 1440 x 900, 1680 x 1050 and 1920 x 1200. Selecting any of these options gives you the effective desktop resolution of the setting, but Apple actually renders the screen at a higher resolution and scales it to fit the 2880 x 1800 panel. As a result of the upscaled rendering, there can be a performance and quality impact. It's also worth noting there's no default option for 2880 x 1800, which is understandable given just how tiny text would be at that resolution. I suspect it won't be long before users figure out how to manually add a zero-scale, 2880 x 1800 = option. 


On 12-Jun-12 00:52, Elliot Steele wrote:
Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro 15" just announced - with kepler GPU Evan, unless an application has been re-written for the retina display it will use pixel-doubling to look the same as on a non-retina display.

Elliot


Am 11/06/2012 23:47 schrieb "Evan Fotis" unter <evan.fotis@gmail.com>:
  I have and indeed it = does look absolutely fantastic, and I'm all for new high res screens, especially to emulate printed material.
 But there first must be a major overhaul in all OS = & apps to be resolution independent.
 In the current state of things ultra high res in small displays just makes it hard to use for productivity, with menus & text being too small & hard to read.
 
 
 On 11-Jun-12 23:24, Teddy Gage wrote:
If you have used the new iPad = you'd know that comment doesn't hold water. It's even more pixels, in higher density, on an even smaller screen and it looks absolutely fantastic
 
 
On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Evan Fotis <evan.fotis@gmail.com> wrote:
 
Using Kepler nvidia GT 650M for the macbook yet keeping 2 year old Ati's for the macpro???
 
 As for the retina display, at last IPS on a = macbook pro, but $400 overhead to the non retina version is a 24" IPS monitor itself..
 And as Stephen mentioned al these pixels are great = but crammed in 15 inches won't be very productive.
 I had a 15" Dell Precision 1920x1200 once and I = needed a magnifying glass or glue to the screen to see what was going on ...
 There is no option for antiglare for the retina = model, just a note in the features that it is antiglare?
 

 On 11-Jun-12 22:53, Gergely Szabo wrote:
 
Same graphic card? :S
 
 I hoped there will be at least a smaller quadro = card or other Nvidia...
 
 Maybe I don't find the important information on = the site but no USB3? Thunderbolt?
 
 I guess the next hardware announcement will be = an iMac like the Z1 and after that they will kill the MacPro.
 
 
 Stephen van Vuuren =EF=BF=BDrta:
 

 > Looks awesome. I was hoping to hear = something about an updated (maybe rack-mountable) Mac Pro, but no such luck.
 
 I=EF=BF=BDm not sure if it=EF=BF=BDs awesome = or not. That many pixels on a 15=EF=BF=BD screen? Even with OS and app support, it may be just amount to really expensive text smoothing. Other than text, I=EF=BF=BDve not = seen really compelling usage models with Retina screens in phones and tabs for photo and video. The rest of the updates are not any different the myriad other notebook announcements of late.
 
 Have to admit, even though I only Hackintosh = as my primary boxes are Win, I=EF=BF=BDm a surprised at no = new Mac Pro. I mean, I can understand not a whole new case etc. but dropping in updated motherboard, PSU, CPUs, video, USB3 etc. would not have been a very big effort for Apple. That=EF=BF=BDs not a great sign as = later summer and fall announcements for Apple are probably iPhone related for holiday season.
 
 
 I wonder if there is not some serious internal debate about this since Ars Technica and other sites claimed to have insider info on new Mac Pros.
 
 *stephen van vuuren*
 
 336.202.4777 <tel:336.202.4777>
 
 * *
 
 *http://www.sv2dcp.com/*
 
 *http://www.sv2studios.com/*
 
 *http://www.outsideinthemovie.c= om/*
 
 * *
 
 /A film is =EF=BF=BD or should be =EF=BF=BD = more like music than like fiction. It should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=EF=BF=BDs behind the = emotion, the meaning, all that comes later./
 
 =EF=BF=BD*Stanley Kubrick*
 
 *From:* After Effects Mail List [mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv= ] *On Behalf Of *Russel Fairley
 *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 3:24 PM
 *To:* After Effects Mail List
 *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro = 15" just announced - with kepler GPU
 
 Looks awesome. I was hoping to hear something = about an updated (maybe rack-mountable) Mac Pro, but no such luck.
 
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 *To:* After Effects Mail List <AE-List@media-motion.tv <mailto:AE-List@media-motion.tv&= gt;>
 *Sent:* Monday, June 11, 2012 3:12:41 PM
 *Subject:* Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro = 15" just announced - with kepler GPU
 
 Love the resolution of that display. Pixels = galore!
 
 No word on the Mac Pro's huh?
 
 On Mon, Jun 11, 2012 at 2:06 PM, Teddy Gage = <teddygage@gmail.com <mailto:teddygage@gmail.com>&= gt; wrote:
 
 = http://www.theverge.com/2012/6/11/3078215/apple-stub-etc-whatevs
 
 looks amazing. retina display, ssd hard drive, = quad core i7 and a kepler 650 GT, with 7 hours of battery life. I'm not much of an Apple guy for workstations but I do think they make the best laptops in the industry. Glad I waited to update my 2010 mbp. Also glad they decided to switch back to nVidia = graphics.
 
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