Return-Path: Received: from qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.27.243] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4745753 for ae-list@media-motion.tv; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 19:07:07 +0200 Received: from omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.90]) by qmta13.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mt8V1j0031wfjNsADt9pKY; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:09:49 +0000 Received: from [192.168.1.91] ([98.248.191.112]) by omta23.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id Mt9o1j00h2RxYYa8jt9pva; Wed, 13 Jun 2012 17:09:49 +0000 From: "dennis@reelsolutions.com" Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-26-522935589 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] NEW Apple Macbook Pro 15" just announced - with kepler GPU Date: Wed, 13 Jun 2012 10:09:48 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) --Apple-Mail-26-522935589 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii On the pro side of this, these design choices were made in order to = deliver a very powerful yet small and light laptop. Every computer is = made up of choices and compromises. Even a "no-comromise" computer has = them... I typically buy a computer, put in the RAM and drives I want, and then = never touch them unless something fails, so making RAM and SSD choices = at the initial purchase doesn't affect me and I would guess most others. In my experience, RAM, drives, and SSD's typically fail 1-3 months from = purchase or near the end of their expected life. Apple spec'd and = purchased Hynix RAM may have little in common with the RAM a consumer is = familiar with; it's not like they're buying RAM from newegg :). The = MacBook Air's have glued in batteries, and Apple will do same day = replacements on those for $129.00 - about what you'd pay for a battery = in their other laptops. Having the parts soldered and glued in should actually make it more = reliable and less prone to failure, so that's another plus. I do wish the RAM was replaceable, since 3rd party vendors often come = out with higher capacity RAM modules that will work in any given = machine... Does anyone really have a PC laptop that's even lasted 5 years? IMHO, = only Apple even makes laptops to feasibly last that long. I upgrade and = sell mine every 2-3 years to keep current and reduce potential = headaches. Thanks to the direction Adobe is taking, I'm just thankful it has Nvidia = graphics (albeit currently unsupported)... I just purchased one of these to replace a 2 year old 17" MacBook Pro; = it's over 2 lbs lighter and will absolutely blow it away. - Dennis Wilkins On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: > ...and it looks like the news from the new MBP is not all good after = all. Looks like I got sucked into the hype. Doesn't mean I'd kick one = out of bed, but it's looking less sexy by the minute. >=20 > http://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/retina-mpb-ifit-teardown/ >=20 > - Battery is glued to the housing. Not replaceable. I had the battery = in my 2009 mbp nearly explode. this is not good. >=20 > - bottom-of-the-barrel hynix ram. non-replaceable. I've had my fair = share of RAM issues. if it's faulty you're S.O.L. Also once you pick = your amount at the store, you're locked into it. not cool. I just = recently upgraded my 2010 mbp to max ram, it gave the system new legs. >=20 > - Samsung-made SSD. I didn't know samsung made SSDs. All SSDs are not = created equal. Will look at performance. Also non-replaceable. Max = storage is 760 GB. That's way less than a 2011 or even 2010 with = upgrades (removing optical drive, adding 1.5 tb 2.5 drives etc) >=20 > - display is glued to the casing. Again, that's going to be a $1200 = repair. More than 90% of laptops cost these days >=20 > all in all, this thing is looking more like a disposable camera and = less like a $2100 laptop you could rely on for five years.=20 >=20 > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Brendan Bolles = wrote: > On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:20 PM, scott.aelist wrote: >=20 > > i'm working on one right now. It takes a bit of getting used to, but = I've been doing it for a couple years now. In fact this was the reason I = didn't opt for a macbook, because they only went up to 1440. I can't = imagine trying to work in AE at such low rez. >=20 >=20 > Cool, it looks like with the retina display they'll let you scale the = UI how you want. Although I guess it maxes out at the 1920x1200 = equivalent, not letting you masochists go all the way to 2880x1800, = although I bet someone will probably figure out how to hack it. >=20 > = http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/a-closer-look-at-the-new-macbook-pros-= retina-display/ >=20 >=20 > Brendan >=20 >=20 > +---End of message---+ > To unsubscribe send any message to >=20 >=20 >=20 > --=20 > Animator & Editor > www.teddygage.com > Brooklyn >=20 --Apple-Mail-26-522935589 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii On = the pro side of this, these design choices were made in order to deliver = a very powerful yet small and light laptop. Every computer is made up of = choices and compromises. Even a "no-comromise" computer has = them...

I typically buy a computer, put in the RAM = and drives I want, and then never touch them unless something fails, so = making RAM and SSD choices at the initial purchase doesn't affect me and = I would guess most others.

In my experience, RAM, = drives, and SSD's typically fail 1-3 months from purchase or near the = end of their expected life. Apple spec'd and purchased Hynix RAM may = have little in common with the RAM a consumer is familiar with; it's not = like they're buying RAM from newegg :). The MacBook Air's have glued in = batteries, and Apple will do same day replacements on those for $129.00 = - about what you'd pay for a battery in their other = laptops.

Having the parts soldered and glued in = should actually make it more reliable and less prone to failure, so = that's another plus.

I do wish the RAM was = replaceable, since 3rd party vendors often come out with higher capacity = RAM modules that will work in any given = machine...

Does anyone really have a PC laptop = that's even lasted 5 years? IMHO, only Apple even makes laptops to = feasibly last that long. I upgrade and sell mine every 2-3 years to keep = current and reduce potential headaches.

Thanks = to the direction Adobe is taking, I'm just thankful it has Nvidia = graphics (albeit currently unsupported)...

I = just purchased one of these to replace a 2 year old 17" MacBook Pro; = it's over 2 lbs lighter and will absolutely blow it = away.

- Dennis = Wilkins



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On Jun 13, 2012, at 9:10 AM, Teddy Gage wrote:

...and it = looks like the news from the new MBP is not all good after all. Looks = like I got sucked into the hype. Doesn't mean I'd kick one out of bed, = but it's looking less sexy by the minute.

http= ://www.engadget.com/2012/06/13/retina-mpb-ifit-teardown/

- Battery is glued to the housing. Not replaceable. I had the = battery in my 2009 mbp nearly explode. this is not good.

- = bottom-of-the-barrel hynix ram. non-replaceable. I've had my fair share = of RAM issues. if it's faulty you're S.O.L. Also once you pick your = amount at the store, you're locked into it. not cool. I just recently = upgraded my 2010 mbp to max ram, it gave the system new legs.

- Samsung-made SSD. I didn't know samsung made SSDs. All SSDs are = not created equal. Will look at performance. Also non-replaceable. Max = storage is 760 GB. That's way less than a 2011 or even 2010 with = upgrades (removing optical drive, adding 1.5 tb 2.5 drives etc)

- display is glued to the casing. Again, that's going to be a $1200 = repair. More than 90% of laptops cost these days

all in all, this = thing is looking more like a disposable camera and less like a $2100 = laptop you could rely on for five years.

On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 9:35 PM, Brendan = Bolles <brendan@fnordware.com> = wrote:
On Jun 12, 2012, at 12:20 PM, scott.aelist wrote:

> i'm working on one right now. It takes a bit of getting used to, = but I've been doing it for a couple years now. In fact this was the = reason I didn't opt for a macbook, because they only went up to 1440. I = can't imagine trying to work in AE at such low rez.


Cool, it looks like with the retina display they'll let you scale = the UI how you want.  Although I guess it maxes out at the = 1920x1200 equivalent, not letting you masochists go all the way to = 2880x1800, although I bet someone will probably figure out how to hack = it.

http://www.macrumors.com/2012/06/12/a-closer-look-at-the= -new-macbook-pros-retina-display/


Brendan


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