Return-Path: Received: from imr-ma06.mx.aol.com ([64.12.78.142] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4747074 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 20:01:20 +0200 Received: from mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com [172.29.51.134]) by imr-ma06.mx.aol.com (8.14.1/8.14.1) with ESMTP id q5EI3tm5002001 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:03:55 -0400 Received: from [192.168.1.17] (pool-71-105-107-131.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net [71.105.107.131]) (using TLSv1 with cipher AES128-SHA (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by mtaout-da06.r1000.mx.aol.com (MUA/Third Party Client Interface) with ESMTPSA id 970C8E00017F; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 14:03:54 -0400 (EDT) References: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-78E4077D-2628-4CFD-8B62-CBE477C739DC Message-Id: <7CA64B9D-733B-4A67-9BB9-9A33D63D104D@aol.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (9B206) From: Tsassoon Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 11:03:50 -0700 To: After Effects Mail List x-aol-global-disposition: G DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=mx.aol.com; s=20110426; t=1339697035; bh=TNPjy5VBO6XdUbfMkbxpEUNrpGvp8JwzcpH14I3dQG8=; h=From:To:Subject:Message-Id:Date:Mime-Version:Content-Type; b=Gt1OB9LTl0CtW6/Q/xWLczSh/LSilP3nI62q6OUQtCrp+jxrUe4juh4AQ9NFdJN5i MTJJOuPkH4YBXYU6o8qwtRjN2MImXfQUs0ddMs4RqnE9+oJC5bgaxNEt2jpzEFuXyy As1F345XlMY330Dy1PoQTXF1fiyQXM4HlN8emBEo= X-AOL-SCOLL-SCORE: 0:2:447685280:93952408 X-AOL-SCOLL-URL_COUNT: 0 x-aol-sid: 3039ac1d33864fda278a5e5d X-AOL-IP: 71.105.107.131 --Apple-Mail-78E4077D-2628-4CFD-8B62-CBE477C739DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Apple's at an awkward point where it's really a mobile computing company, bu= t it hasn't fully committed yet, still trying to use mobile products like iC= loud to sell desktops. They need to stop trying to find synergies between th= e two so much as let them battle it out. Mobile will certainly win. The "pro= " computer ten years from now will be the same size as today's iPhone. Tim Sassoon SFD Santa Monica, CA Sent from my iPhone On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Michael Hazarian wrote: > Pining for the fjords???!!! >=20 > On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Ramirez wrote: >=20 >> They've become the most valuable company in the entire world while semi-i= gnoring the pro market. let's face it, we got dumped, but are still pining. >>=20 >> On Thu, Jun 14, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Teddy Gage wrote: >> Additionally, this is something people don't seem to understand, probably= because we think we're very important: apples entire "pro" market sales for= the year are worth less than ONE DAY of new iPad sales. And you really thin= k they give a shit about the "pro" market? >>=20 >> On Jun 14, 2012 11:05 AM, "Teddy Gage" wrote: >> Lol. They do not have Mac pro render farms. Even pixar can't afford that.= Well they could but they'd be wasting money. They run Linux server clusters= with Intel hardware for rendering. Not to say they don't probably do a lot o= f design work on osx >>=20 >> http://blogs.computerworld.com/pixars_rendering_software_big_on_linux_ser= vers_not_mac >>=20 >> On Jun 14, 2012 9:29 AM, "James WIlson" wrote: >> I've been semi following this thread and I can't help but wonder...isn't P= ixar using Mac Pros to crank out all those frames? Why would Jobs ignore suc= h money maker as the ongoing development of the power workflow for cinema? I= mean there's just as much money in ticket sales, royalties, and merchandizi= ng as any other product line so I wouldn't see why the MacPro development wo= uld fall by the wayside for volume iPhone and iPad sales alone unless they'r= e just not using any of them. >>=20 >> Perhaps someone here knows more about the inner workings of the Pixar. >>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >> On Jun 14, 2012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote: >>=20 >>> Anyone else wonder if Steve could have cared less about the high-end mac= hines any more because they weren't high profile enough so they had been sh= elved as far as development resources? Maybe Tim is smart enough to realize= that the "pros" actually are an important part of the market and put them b= ack in the development pipeline. That is why they are so far out from being= shipped. >>>=20 >>> Scott >>>=20 >>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl Newman wrote: >>>=20 >>>> On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote: >>>>=20 >>>>> Well, first you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your ethe= rnet, storage adapters and monitor. >>>>=20 >>>> Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the chip they used. Obviou= sly an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of the chain, or on the new= Retina MBP it could be on a second port. >>>>=20 >>>> One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can daisy-chain two= Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including the MBP, runn= ing at once. >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>> Karl Newman >>>> Karl Newman Productions >>>>=20 >>>> kwnewman@verizon.net >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>>=20 >>>=20 >>=20 >>=20 >=20 --Apple-Mail-78E4077D-2628-4CFD-8B62-CBE477C739DC Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
Apple's at an awkward poin= t where it's really a mobile computing company, but it hasn't fully committe= d yet, still trying to use mobile products like iCloud to sell desktops. The= y need to stop trying to find synergies between the two so much as let them b= attle it out. Mobile will certainly win. The "pro" computer ten years from n= ow will be the same size as today's iPhone.

Tim Sassoon
SFD
=
Santa Monica, CA

Sent from my iPhone



= On Jun 14, 2012, at 10:25 AM, Michael Hazarian <mhlists@rxpro.com> wrote:

Pining for the fjords???!!!

On Jun= 14, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Daniel Ramirez wrote:

They've become the most valuable com= pany in the entire world while semi-ignoring the pro market. let's face it, w= e got dumped, but are still pining.

On Thu= , Jun 14, 2012 at 8:10 AM, Teddy Gage <teddygage@gmail.com> w= rote:

Additionally, this is something people don= 't seem to understand, probably because we think we're very important: apple= s entire "pro" market sales for the year are worth less than ONE DAY of new i= Pad sales. And you really think they give a shit about the "pro" market?

=
On Jun 14, 2012 11:05 AM, "Teddy Gage" <teddygage@gmail.com&g= t; wrote:

Lol. They= do not have Mac pro render farms. Even pixar can't afford that. Well they c= ould but they'd be wasting money. They run Linux server clusters with Intel h= ardware for rendering. Not to say they don't probably do a lot of design wor= k on osx

http://blogs.computer= world.com/pixars_rendering_software_big_on_linux_servers_not_mac

On Jun 14, 2012 9:29 AM, "James WIlson" <lists@jwmm.com> wrote:=
I've been semi following this thread and= I can't help but wonder...isn't Pixar using Mac Pros to crank out all those= frames? Why would Jobs ignore such money maker as the ongoing development o= f the power workflow for cinema? I mean there's just as much money in ticket= sales, royalties, and merchandizing as any other product line so I wouldn't= see why the MacPro development would fall by the wayside for volume iPhone a= nd iPad sales alone unless they're just not using any of them.

Perhaps someone here knows more about the inner workings of t= he Pixar.



On Jun 14, 2= 012, at 9:14 AM, Scott Carmichael wrote:

=
Anyone else wonder if Steve could have c= ared less about the high-end machines any more  because they weren't hi= gh profile enough so they had been shelved as far as development resources? &= nbsp;Maybe Tim is smart enough to realize that the "pros" actually are an im= portant part of the market and put them back in the development pipeline. &n= bsp;That is why they are so far out from being shipped.

Scott

On Jun 14, 2012, at 8:35 AM, Karl= Newman wrote:

On Jun 14, 2012, at 7:21 AM, Benny Christensen wrote:
= Well, first you have to have a TB hub so that you can attach your ethernet, s= torage adapters and monitor.

Most TB devices can daisy-chain depending on the= chip they used. Obviously an ethernet adaptor would need to be the end of t= he chain, or on the new Retina MBP it could be on a second port.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned much is that you can d= aisy-chain two Apple Thunderbolt displays and have three monitors, including= the MBP, running at once.


Karl Newman
Karl Newman Productions









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