Return-Path: Received: from asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net ([207.145.128.243] verified) by media-motion.tv (CommuniGate Pro SMTP 4.2.10) with ESMTP id 4747245 for AE-List@media-motion.tv; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 22:17:25 +0200 Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.50]) by asbnvacz-mailrelay01.megapath.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5972DA70704 for ; Thu, 14 Jun 2012 16:20:09 -0400 (EDT) Received: (qmail 27210 invoked from network); 14 Jun 2012 20:20:08 -0000 Received: by simscan 1.4.0 ppid: 19511, pid: 1118, t: 2.6400s scanners: clamav: 0.88.2/m:52/d:10739 spam: 3.0.4 Received: from c-67-185-28-214.hsd1.wa.comcast.net (HELO [192.168.1.125]) (albion@[67.185.28.214]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with SMTP for ; 14 Jun 2012 20:20:06 -0000 From: James Culbertson Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v1084) Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-1-620740801 Subject: Re: [AE] [OT] The Mac Pro is dead Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2012 13:19:53 -0700 In-Reply-To: To: "After Effects Mail List" References: Message-Id: <64A94748-601D-4B0D-B39B-FE3A9B155702@speakeasy.net> X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.1084) X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.4 (2005-06-05) on mail6.sea5 X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.0 required=8.0 tests=HTML_MESSAGE autolearn=disabled version=3.0.4 --Apple-Mail-1-620740801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Exactly my point as well. And if you can buy components instead of one = big box that benefits the bottom line in both initial purchases and = upgrades. James On Jun 14, 2012, at 12:58 PM, Tim Sassoon wrote: > Okay, decade, schmeckade. And I know in all seriousness that you don't = have a million bucks :-) >=20 > But computing power generally has an inverse proportion to size. In = order to become more powerful, they must shrink. Then there's Quantum = Computing, where suddenly the current chip paradigm looks like tubes and = punch cards compared. >=20 > Most of the space in a current tower are disk and peripheral bays, PCI = slots, and power supply. Disks will be SSD, and peripherals can be = outboard, Thunderbolt can supplant internal PCI, and then you only need = a fraction of the power supply. What do you have then? A Mac Mini with = better CPU's, pretty much. And I suspect that in the long run, that's = Apple's point. That instead of buying one Monster Truck of a computer, = you'd be better served by buying a fleet of FIT's. >=20 >=20 > Tim Sassoon > SFD > Santa Monica, CA >=20 >=20 >=20 > On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Stephen van Vuuren wrote: >=20 >> > The "pro" computer ten years from now will be the same size as = today's iPhone. >>=20 >> I will bet a million dollars, in all seriousness, in front of all = the witnesses here, that this is not the case. Physics says no as does = Moore=92s law and what we will be doing with said computers in ten = years. >>=20 >> I will agree the iPhone of ten years from now will outperform todays = tower. But I am sure enough to bet a million dollars that pro=92s will = need far more power than that. The iPhone today much slower than the pro = CPU in 2002. And the pro CPUs 10 years ago can=92t run any recent = version of CS6 (which requires Core 2 Duo minimum). >> =20 >> Unless you are hoping some massive revolution in = chip/CPU/drive/RAM/storage, I think my best is pretty safe. >> =20 >> Plus, my towers have been getting bigger over the last 10 years, not = smaller=85 >> =20 >> stephen van vuuren >> 336.202.4777 >> =20 >> http://www.sv2dcp.com/ >> http://www.sv2studios.com/ >> http://www.outsideinthemovie.com/ >> =20 >> A film is =96 or should be =96 more like music than like fiction. It = should be a progression of moods and feelings. The theme, what=92s = behind the emotion, the meaning, all that comes later. >> =96Stanley Kubrick >=20 --Apple-Mail-1-620740801 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Type: text/html; charset=windows-1252
Okay, = decade, schmeckade. And I know in all seriousness that you don't have a = million bucks :-)

But computing power generally has = an inverse proportion to size. In order to become more powerful, they = must shrink. Then there's Quantum Computing, where suddenly the current = chip paradigm looks like tubes and punch cards = compared.

Most of the space in a current tower = are disk and peripheral bays, PCI slots, and power supply. Disks will be = SSD, and peripherals can be outboard, Thunderbolt can supplant internal = PCI, and then you only need a fraction of the power supply. What do you = have then? A Mac Mini with better CPU's, pretty much. And I suspect that = in the long run, that's Apple's point. That instead of buying one = Monster Truck of a computer, you'd be better served by buying a fleet of = FIT's.


Tim = Sassoon
SFD
Santa Monica, = CA



On Jun 14, 2012, at 11:39 AM, Stephen van Vuuren = wrote:

> The "pro" computer ten = years from now will be the same size as today's iPhone.

I will bet a million dollars, in all = seriousness, in front  of all the witnesses here, that this is not = the case. Physics says no as does Moore=92s law and what we will be = doing with said computers in ten years.

I will agree the iPhone of = ten years from now will outperform todays tower. But I am sure enough to = bet a million dollars that pro=92s will need far more power than that. = The iPhone today much slower than the pro CPU in 2002. And the pro CPUs = 10 years ago can=92t run any recent version of CS6 (which requires Core = 2 Duo minimum).
 
Unless you are hoping some = massive revolution in chip/CPU/drive/RAM/storage, I think my best is = pretty safe.
 
Plus, my towers have been getting = bigger over the last 10 years, not smaller=85
stephen van vuuren
 


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